American Sniper a Fraud?

[VOLatile]

But did he lie about his service awards? He put in the book the awards that are shown on his DD214. The DD214 is typed up at your final command by a personnel man or yeoman. They can make mistakes. The navy is saying his DD214 is different from his official personnel file. I don't see a deliberate attempt on his part to embellish his awards.

Honestly, the medals thing is negligible if that's true. The rest of his lies are damning, though. I can even forgive the skewed kill count, but to brag about killing looters which was a lie and the Ventura thing... Dude had an ego the size of Mt. Everest.

 

[hog88]

Honestly, the medals thing is negligible if that's true. The rest of his lies are damning, though. I can even forgive the skewed kill count, but to brag about killing looters which was a lie and the Ventura thing... Dude had an ego the size of Mt. Everest.

He was a flawed man but who isn't?

 

[AirVol]

His DD214, which he was GIVEN when separating (you know that) says one thing, his old "mpf" records say another. I know I go off what my DD214 says when it comes to a medal count..

When I retired, my VMPF showed I had clusters and ribbons that my DD214 did not. Got it fixed and my shadow box looks amazing. lol

 

[Toujours Pret]

He was a war hero that stood out above others. Why the need to embellish his record when the record stood tall on its own? Why lie about what happened between him and Ventura? I believe it points to a pathological liar. Soldiers are humans like the rest of us, most are flawed in one way or the other.

Yup. Kyle had a 'vivid imagination', but that shouldn't be cause to ignore what he actually did.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I mean, how hard is it to just not make up stories about prominent people and publish them in what is sure to be a popular book?

Waiting on Grand_Vols answer to this.

 

[Grand Vol]

Also in that article:

Since obviously Ras cares so much about my opinion on the matter, I'll respond. I was going to leave it be since my opinion on the matter is in previous posts and I didn't think your post needed a reply. But here goes...

The first comment from the Honorable Ventura:

Ventura said. "I was accused of treason, which in the military is the death penalty."

Exactly who accused him of treason? And I don't recall the military filing charges. But my, my, my, let's not go overboard with the drama or anything.

And the second:

"I can't go to a SEAL reunion anymore," Ventura said. "That was the one place that I always felt safe. I can't go there anymore. I would be looking over my shoulder now wondering who's going to come after me next. And so, don't think I come out of this unscathed."

Speaking of upping the drama. But if he can't go to a SEAL reunion any longer, there's very likely a reason for that. Want to guess what that might be? The fact he went after the widow and family of one of the "family" perhaps:

Jesse Ventura Targets Slain Navy SEAL's Widow In Lawsuit

Ex-wrestler and former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura has moved to sue the widow of a U.S. veteran who was known as the most lethal sniper in American military history.

Ventura's lawyers have filed a motion requesting that a federal court allow him to sue Taya Kyle, the widow of former Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, in place of the veteran, who was killed by a U.S. Marines reservist whom he was mentoring at a Texas shooting range in February.

Do you honestly think the SEAL community looks highly on that matter?

And the third:

"Taya Kyle had all of her attorney fees paid by insurance. I did not. I incurred two-and-a-half years of lawyer fees that I have to pay to clear my name, and she had insurance paying everything for her," Ventura said on "CBS This Morning." "It was me against an insurance company."

Ventura said he will use his winnings to pay his lawyers' fees.

I've always been of the mind that if you can't afford the lawyer fees to sue someone, the suit shouldn't go forward.

And that insurance company thing? Not entirely accurate:

Former Gov. Jesse Ventura Blasts American Sniper's Chris Kyle for 'Fabrication' - American Sniper, Movie News, Jesse Ventura : People.com

The Star Tribune reported that the $500,000 awarded to Ventura for defamation would be paid by the insurance from HarperCollins, but the $1.3 million unjust enrichment award would "presumably come from the money earned from the book."

Regardless of how much the book made, this again comes down to principle.

I know very little about Chris Kyle, never saw the movie, never heard his name until he died...but when I read the article above, Ventura certainly doesn't come across as the douche.

About that...

Jesse Ventura: ‘I Won, Chris Kyle Was a Liar‘

Ventura interrupted a broadcast of the Sirius XM’s Opie and Jimmy Show to tell hosts Gregg “Opie” Hughes and Jim Norton that he had won his suit against the estate of the deceased Kyle.

“I won. Chris Kyle was a liar,” Ventura said. “I won in federal court.”

“I won. I won.”

When asked by the hosts to sit down and do a full interview, Ventura walked away.

And:

Ventura on Kyle: 'I took on that alleged dead war hero and his grieving widow' - CNNPolitics.com

"Imagine, I took on this alleged dead war hero and his grieving widow, how much evidence there must have been for the jury to have overwhelmingly sided with me as well as the judge," Ventura told CNN's "New Day."

Bragging about taking on a widow of a fallen hero...this is where I bring up how much of a douche he is.

But furthermore, the whole incident was during a wake of a fallen SEAL where Ventura was allegedly running his mouth and turned political. Which also has more than a few that supposedly witnessed the incident:

Witnesses rebut Ventura's assertion that fight was a lie - StarTribune.com

Now, most people would refrain from popping someone in the mouth over such things, but booze does tend to make such irrational acts happen.

I mean, how hard is it to just not make up stories about prominent people and publish them in what is sure to be a popular book?

You do realize that nowhere in the book the name "Jesse Ventura" is ever mentioned? And that Kyle only stated well after it was published it was Ventura?

And one more thing that was completely out of whack in my opinion was the fact that case was heard in Minnesota. I'd tend to think that didn't level the playing field at all. And I'm glad the case is on appeal for a more neutral location.

 

[Grand Vol]

Waiting on Grand_Vols answer to this.

Do you really intend to follow me around this site all the time and expect answers to everything?

It's creepy, you know. You have such an infatuation with me that I just cannot understand.

Do yourself a favor and seek help.

 

[reverseosmosis]

Yup. Kyle had a 'vivid imagination', but that shouldn't be cause to ignore what he actually did.

I always kind of thought his career was one you should keep your mouth shut about in the presence of most company.

 

[Toujours Pret]

I always kind of thought his career was one you should keep your mouth shut about in the presence of most company.

Chris Kyle loved him some Chris Kyle, you can't deny that. He was seemingly a hell of a guy on his own accord, for whatever reason he felt the need to embellish a few things.

 

[Sandvol]

Do you really intend to follow me around this site all the time and expect answers to everything?

It's creepy, you know. You have such an infatuation with me that I just cannot understand.

Do yourself a favor and seek help.

Must be the mustache.

 

[allvol123]

Dunno, but that was a damn good movie.

 

[ruger1234]

Dunno, but that was a damn good movie.

Yes it was, not Forest Gump good but close.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

You have to hold people accountable when they are shown to be untrustworthy or liars. That includes the living or the dead, soldier or civilian, man or woman, politician or voter.

It says a lot about where this country is and where it is going when we defend a liar and attack the victims of his/her lies.

 

[Vol8188]

You have to hold people accountable when they are shown to be untrustworthy or liars. That includes the living or the dead, soldier or civilian, man or woman, politician or voter.

It says a lot about where this country is and where it is going when we defend a liar and attack the victims of his/her lies.

Statist going to state, state, state.

 

[Coug]

If the guy is a fraud it's too late. Hollywood has already made their 540 million off the movie.

 

[n_huffhines]

This baby is a fraud!

 

[jp1]

Who cares? Interesting.

I say who cares because I have no clue what the truth is. I have some journalist questioning the accuracy of his medal count. He claimed less that what his DD214 claims. What I know to be fact is he placed his life in danger numerous times for our country. He served his fellow soldiers valiantly according to what I have seen and they have shared. I will file the rest in the "who cares?". But continue to try to tear down whatever makes you happy. I will also file that in the "who cares?"

 

[n_huffhines]

I say who cares because I have no clue what the truth is. I have some journalist questioning the accuracy of his medal count. He claimed less that what his DD214 claims. What I know to be fact is he placed his life in danger numerous times for our country. He served his fellow soldiers valiantly according to what I have seen and they have shared. I will file the rest in the "who cares?". But continue to try to tear down whatever makes you happy. I will also file that in the "who cares?"

You just gotta learn to accept your heroes, warts and all. Nobody is perfect. I think it's dangerous to ignore the bad things about them. It emboldens their bad ideas/acts in the minds of the masses.

 

[Grand Vol]

You just gotta learn to accept your heroes, warts and all. Nobody is perfect. I think it's dangerous to ignore the bad things about them. It emboldens their bad ideas/acts in the minds of the masses.

Spot on.

 

[jp1]

You just gotta learn to accept your heroes, warts and all. Nobody is perfect. I think it's dangerous to ignore the bad things about them. It emboldens their bad ideas/acts in the minds of the masses.

I dont disagree with your post.

 

[kev20]

You have to hold people accountable when they are shown to be untrustworthy or liars. That includes the living or the dead, soldier or civilian, man or woman, politician or voter.

It says a lot about where this country is and where it is going when we defend a liar and attack the victims of his/her lies.

Litigiously? If that's a word. What does that money do for Ventura to rehabilitate his reputation?