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therealUT

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In my opinion, three sweeping in changes in three crucial areas need to occur in America in order to produce a society in which individuals have the opportunity to thrive or fail on their own merits.

The Criminal Code

America needs to do away with crimes of "delinquency", to include, but not limited to, drug crime. We spend too much time and resources fighting issues that are either unsightly, "morally reprehensible", and/or "indicators of future criminal activity". Actual crimes should be punished and punished severely, all else should be left alone until such an actual crime is committed. The only crimes that should be prosecuted, IMO, are direct crimes against property and persons: theft, assault, manslaughter, rape, murder.

As it is, the current punishments even against these crimes, in America, are ineffective. The penal system needs to be replaced by corporal punishment and punitive fines (enough to be corrective and deterrent), except in cases involving rape and murder (life sentences, no parole).

The penal system in America is simply an elaborate criminal academy. First time criminals enter as novices and are released a few years later as hardened professionals; the recidivism rates empirically demonstrate this point. Families of criminals are left without a parent and without that parent's income while said parent is locked away. This also plays a major role in creating a culture of criminals. Prison sentences remove family members and family members' income from a family for years; corporal punishment might mean a loss of income for a few days while said criminal is recovering before heading back to the workforce.

Parental Accountability

If, by our legal code, persons under a certain age are considered minors and are technically the wards of their parents, then why is it that parents are not held legally responsible for the criminal activity of their offspring?

If a minor commits a crime, the minor should be charged for said crime; however, the parent should also have to demonstrate that they did everything that was prudent and in their power to keep their child from taking the path of criminal behavior and should receive a certain percentage of their child's sentence.

The two issues I see with this stance are that it could possibly lead to more abortions, which the right would absolutely abhor, and that it would be tough to enforce (how does one go about proving the parental negligence).

I will address the latter objection first and then move back to the former. It is highly unenforceable. I see that; yet, the mere threat of enforcement would be enough to coerce some parents into taking a stronger role in their child's life, to include exhausting all possibilities of helping a "problem child". Also, many laws are currently unenforceable, if the prosecution were forced to try everything in court; instead, they offer pleas which are normally accepted and, hence, there ends up being a certain degree, while a lesser degree, of enforcement. I foretell a lot of plea bargains with parents in these cases.

As for the objection regarding an increase in abortions: I would also think that an increase in adoptions would occur and struggling parents would not continue to play games in the judicial system regarding adoptions that ultimately disturb the psyche of young children.

Education

The American Public School System needs to open teacher competition to any and all individuals with four-year degrees; needs to allow school vouchers and school choice; and needs to extend the school year year-round.

I do not know whether individuals with degrees in Education are the best teachers; currently, there is no way to find out. By opening the workforce to competition, education majors will have the opportunity to prove they are better suited. Whether they do or they don't, it is a win-win situation for the American Education System: either they do and we have the better teachers or they do not and we have the better teachers.

Just as teacher competition would make schools better, so would school competition. Vouchers should be made available for those parents who wish to send their children to private schools. There are many who claim that this could ultimately kill public schools in areas where they are urgently needed. This is true, it could do this. It could also create a better public school in that area as teachers and administrators have to work to find out how to do more with less, as private schools have done for centuries. The secret of private schools has been discipline, not funding. Discipline and obedience are at worst cost-neutral and most likely cost-effective.

Finally, schools should be year-round. American children no longer need the summers off to work the farm. The stagnant summer months are tough for working families and require extensive reviews and reteaching of material that should have already been learned. Until the age in which individuals are legally allowed to work (15 or 16, depending upon the state, IIRC), students should remain in school for the summer. This should include all grammar school students; high school students should have the summers off to work and to further develop individual drive and motivation, as that will be all they have once they graduate high school.
 
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I agree with most everything you said except for the parent thing. Too many parents bring up kids in a good home, where plenty of structure exists, yet the kid makes more mistakes than other kids in bad situations. Is that the parents fault?? No, I don't think so. Mainly because today's kids are told by society that they have a much larger sense of individualism and should invoke that in everyday life. What happens though is the kid thinks they know what is right, but yet when they are completely wrong with give you every justification in the book as to why they did it, yet will never openly admit they are wrong. Sometimes parents are limited by society and technology. Should they limit it, oh without a doubt. I'm dealing with that fight right now.
 
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I agree with most everything you said except for the parent thing. Too many parents bring up kids in a good home, where plenty of structure exists, yet the kid makes more mistakes than other kids in bad situations. Is that the parents fault?? No, I don't think so.

If the good structure exists and the parents have done everything a reasonable and prudent person would do, then there is no problem.

According to current tax codes, parents keep more of their income than non-parents. If the government is going to make that distinction, then I think the government can reasonably expect said parent to actual try to be an effective and involved parent. Same can be said for the WIC program: if the government is going to pay an individual to help raise the child, then the government should be able to reasonably expect that the child will not grow up to be a criminal.

Certainly, I do not believe that parents are culpable in all juvenile crime; however, I do believe that there are many (not most) parents out there who are simply apathetic. If that is the case, and there child commits a crime, then they should be held responsible in some manner.
 
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If the good structure exists and the parents have done everything a reasonable and prudent person would do, then there is no problem.

But assuming it's not being done in the first place is some very slippery territory. Would you respond well to someone telling you that your doing a crappy job with your kids, because they made a conscious decision to do something themselves without your consent?? Probably not. The lesson isn't in what they do, it's about what they learn after it, so if the parents are going to try and fix a deficiency, the kids are going to have to make mistakes. There isn't a single kid or parent that's perfect, and changing the laws or holding the parents more accountable isn't going to change that.
 
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But assuming it's not being done in the first place is some very slippery territory. Would you respond well to someone telling you that your doing a crappy job with your kids, because they made a conscious decision to do something themselves without your consent?? Probably not.

If my child stole a car or assaulted someone, I would not respond well either way. Being the official guardian and the person ultimately responsible for that child, I should have to demonstrate that I did everything that could be prudently expected of me.
This is a duty that I accepted in the military, when I was responsible for everything my (Company, Platoon) did or failed to do. Certain investigations of individuals end up looking at the overall Command Climate to see if that was a contributing factor. I see no problem in investigating the "Command Climate" of the home when juveniles commit crimes.

The lesson isn't in what they do, it's about what they learn after it, so if the parents are going to try and fix a deficiency, the kids are going to have to make mistakes. There isn't a single kid or parent that's perfect, and changing the laws or holding the parents more accountable isn't going to change that.

A kid should not have to get got stealing, assailing an individual, raping, and/or murdering to learn that those things are wrong and are not to be tolerated.
 
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Interseting ideas. I especially agree with opinions about the criminal code. The current code and penal systems have morphed into another 'stimulus package' for states and the cities that build prisons. Reducing the number of incarnerated persons would also allow for full sentences to be served rather than the percentage model that now exists.

Parental responsibility should be fashioned after truancy models that hold the parent financially responsible for their kids to attend school. If the parents are forced to pay fines for their kids' crimes, accountability should/would increase.

It is far past time for year 'round school attendence. As TRUT points out, the current sys. was designed with school shaped around crop seasons. Full year participation, with short breaks throught the year, would slow the pace and encourage more quality time on important subjects like mathmatics and reading.
 
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The Criminal Code

Pretty much agree. While incarcerated they should work 40 hrs a week in some form of productive work. They should be made to produce enough to cover the cost of their sentence, and what ever is left over should be recovered by spouses that are covering the financial load while they are locked up. That part is kinda sticky and would need to be refined but I don't mind the concept.

Parental Accountability

As a father of 2, I strongly believe in my accountability toward my kids. The criminal acts are kinda sticky to me tho. Would have to be very defined for me to have a better opinion. I have seen cases where the parents had fault and some where I felt they did not. Some of that had to do with the age and maturity of the kid amongst other things. This one is harder to pin down.

Education

Im for anything that pushes teachers to be better. And when they achieve that, the compensation should be better, regardless of age or tenure. If competition can be the driving force to find this, Im all for it. Its an important position to me, and I want the teacher to feel the same way.
 
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how about we work on getting 30 million people some jobs, the rest will fall into place

For the most part, low-skilled jobs are a thing of the past in America (unless we get rid of the minimum wage and reduce corporate taxes); therefore, to keep our present quality of life and compete with the world, we must ensure that our children are ready to lead the world in higher skilled professions.
 
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Beech, you hit on a point I strongly agree with. Inmates should definitely be forced to perform some type of labor, even if it's just road work a la Cold Hand Luke. The prospect of sitting around watching TV and playing cards hasn't been much of a deterrent for many.
 
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I can get behind a few of your points regarding education. I spent one year as a student teacher, dividing my time between P.E. class and 4th grade…. I am now working on a Business Degree.
One of the biggest issues in public schools is discipline. The teachers and administration have very few options in regards to holding kids accountable. It doesn’t help that some kids, in these public schools, lack positive parental influence at home. In theory, that would be less of an issue, because these same kids spend so much time, for so many years, within the confines of a school building. However, these same parents are the first ones to prohibit physical discipline. I, for one, think that some kids would respect their teachers if they had the subtle reminder of a paddle. Call me old fashioned, but what stops the kids even in 4th grade from carving profane words into the lunch table outside? A little pink slip of paper? The inability to eat their candy bar? Give me a break.

I’m not advocating we starting slinging barbed wood to every child’s behind, but I have seen how a child reacts after his parent verbally permitted “extra” punishment. This was after the child tried to undermine the principle in front of his class. Needless to say, that little chip fell off his shoulder. He was a smart kid who seemed to know there was “nothing they can do to me, I’ll tell my mom”. He also used “yes sir” a few more times, and in time gained favor of the principle. He realized it wasn’t so bad doing things the right way. You could actually have a slightly better time at school. Good for him.
My last point is supporting the competitive compensation of teachers. Along with my last 2 paragraphs, teachers are hamstrung in their classroom, but also in their wallet. I do not believe they need 85k a year to teach 4th grade, but some teachers give 100% every single day. It does show in their test scores, and even general performance and behavior in their students. They should be rewarded.
 
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I also have never considered the thought of inmates working to keep their upkeep costs at even. I really like it. The issue being that we have ~17% of people already without jobs, some more deserving than criminals. Although, ideally, awesome idea.

Also, about my comments regarding punishment, things would also help if the parents were responsible. After all it is your child.
 
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Beech, you hit on a point I strongly agree with. Inmates shoude definitely be forced to perform some type of labor, even if it's just road work a la Cold Hand Luke. The prospect of sitting around watching TV and playing cards hasn't been much of a deterrent for many.

You shouldn't be paying money out of your pocket to incarcerate your neighbor that robbed a gas station. Or fund his family while he is in jail. He still has the ability to do that less the rights enjoyed by a free man.
 
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vocational school for those students that aren't college bound. They can at least have a skill/trade when they turn 18 and join the work force
 
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I also have never considered the thought of inmates working to keep their upkeep costs at even. I really like it. The issue being that we have ~17% of people already without jobs, some more deserving than criminals. Although, ideally, awesome idea.

Also, about my comments regarding punishment, things would also help if the parents were responsible. After all it is your child.

It would take some planning and thought, but I think it still could work. At the very least, put them in a position to raise all of there food, and maybe find a way for them to produce their own power. If you decide not to work, you will be skinny and in the dark for much of your sentence.:)
 
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So, how would a parent prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they did everything they could TRUT?? Would it be something like Child Services coming into your home to prove it for the state?? Again, very slippery slope. What if it's a preacher's kid?? We all have known one or two of those that have been wild in school. If you want to teach kids more right from wrong and the consequences, that should be done in school on a more regular basis, since the kids spend more time in school during the work week than they do at home.
 
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I also have never considered the thought of inmates working to keep their upkeep costs at even. I really like it. The issue being that we have ~17% of people already without jobs, some more deserving than criminals. Although, ideally, awesome idea.

Also, about my comments regarding punishment, things would also help if the parents were responsible. After all it is your child.

they can do work that gov't crews usually do like mowing and tree trimming. I know they have male and female chain-gangs in AZ
 
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Could you imagine the controversy on some of the jobs that criminals would be essentially forced to do, especially regarding immigration of the illegal sort?? Would the illegals start to get arrested just to work??
 
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It would take some planning and thought, but I think it still could work. At the very least, put them in a position to raise all of there food, and maybe find a way for them to produce their own power. If you decide not to work, you will be skinny and in the dark for much of your sentence.:)

While I would not support prisoners doing work that others can and should be doing, I would support a monastic type of life in prisons. They should raise and prepare their own food. They do not need access to TVs. The greater majority of the day should be spent in silence, whether that is silence in community or solitude, I care not.
 
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For the most part, low-skilled jobs are a thing of the past in America (unless we get rid of the minimum wage and reduce corporate taxes); therefore, to keep our present quality of life and compete with the world, we must ensure that our children are ready to lead the world in higher skilled professions.

not really, the country needs welders, electricians, and plumbers more than ever
 
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Could you imagine the controversy on some of the jobs that criminals would be essentially forced to do, especially regarding immigration of the illegal sort?? Would the illegals start to get arrested just to work??

Under my proposal, there would be no more "illegal" immigration.
 
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vocational school for those students that aren't college bound. They can at least have a skill/trade when they turn 18 and join the work force

Dang, y'all are hot today. This is another issue I strongly advocate. Traditional college is obviously not for eveyone. Skilled labor is what will support this county's economy moving forward.
 

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