an all time low...

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allenfan1 said:
What top assistant in their right mind would leave their position to come to Tennessee as long as Warlick is there pretending to be a coach. Did you see the way UConn and USC worked the officials, especially Staley. Well it worked, as I saw they got most every questionable call. Watch our coach (or should say Holly) whistling, stomping her feet, yes scratching her head, and hugging the girls. She has very little to say to the ref's . Being in over her head is an understatement.
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Well, a top assistant at an upper tier program would most likely only relocate to become a head coach; i.e., a promotion rather than a lateral move

So, the LVs would need to find some young talent for whom a gig at the Tennessee would be a good stepping stone.
 
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xanamanax said:
When the 4th quarter started, we were up by 11 points. Almost 7 minutes into the 4th, we were still up by 11 points. So how was it "obvious" that the lineup was not producing enough points to shut down the Aggie comeback?

We played zone in the first half and were trailing by 1 point at halftime. Holly switched to man in the 3rd and we outscored them 22-10 that quarter. But you think we should have stayed in the zone because it was working?
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Walker scored 21 points in the 2nd half and OT. The first half zone definitely hampered her scoring. Even if it didn't, what is the correct response when an opponent suddenly gets hot and goes off on you:
A-Keep doing what you're doing or
B-Try something different.

Holly opted for A. How did that work out?
 
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LVJeff said:
Walker scored 21 points in the 2nd half and OT. The first half zone definitely hampered her scoring. Even if it didn't, what is the correct response when an opponent suddenly gets hot and goes off on you:
A-Keep doing what you're doing or
B-Try something different.

Holly opted for A. How did that work out?
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I never said she shouldn't have tried to go back to zone late in the 4th. My issue is with saying that because A&M scored a bunch of points late in the 4th against man means we never should have played man at any point in the game.
 
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movinonup said:
I just keep having this nightmare that we get in as a #16 seed and are put in UConn's bracket.
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Na, more likely would be 8 or 9 seed... still could get UConn in the second round though! If they manage to win the 8 v 9 game!!
 
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It would be nice to get to the NCAA to keep one streak alive. This team could lose to anybody, but at least we'd be spared the humiliation of being shut out.
 
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Warlick's coaching aside... When talent like this plays this bad, it's a chemistry issue. And when it's a chemistry issue at the college level, it's typically players that don't get along at all. Usually talent can still overcome chemistry issues on the floor but not this team. Which means it's deeper and Warlick is not helping the situation with the way she is coaching this team.

These kids, they don't know how to realize the talent that they have and put whatever petty differences they have aside and play. They are kids and most kids would rather pout or complain about playing time, etc. instead putting the team first and working hard to do whatever takes to win a championship.

And when coaches have this much talent on their squad and they don't have the pedigree of Geno or Pat or Staley, they don't last long.
 
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Holly must go. What Pat built in 30 plus years, she has destroyed in 3 years. She has NO commitments next year....not one! What has she and her assistants been doing? It's a real concern to me when nobody wants to play here anymore. It's really sad to see this program fall apart.
 
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MDVolFan14: I agree with you completely. I think much of the trouble is chemistry, along with players who think THEY know better than everyone else. It seems like to me there are several players who don't listen to their coaches much at all.
 
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All the talk about Holly and how she has brought the program to a new low in just a short time.... complicit in this free fall are also..... 1. Pat Summitt ..... she hand picked Holly as the very best choice to carry on the Lady Vols dynasty.... when she is (always has been?) better suited to a top assistant's role... 2. The administration (Mr. Hart).... is more than happy to have Holly at the helm.... and is publicly on the record as being in total support.... from the contract extensions, the most recent one being last summer..... to the verbal rah rah, most recently in celebration of Holly's 100th victory..... this is the latter half of Holly's 5th season as head coach, counting when she was de facto head coach in Pat's last year.... and she clearly cannot figure it out with an all star roster..... 3. the assistant coaches..... yes i know they are in a tight spot..... having to defend Holly's strategy whatever it is.... job security and all that.... but in my dreams.... i am thinking one of them would go to Holly and suggest an offensive plan..... more involvement in game management if they are capable etc.....

Why doesn't Holly seek new ideas.... I have read that (please do not criticize me for my wild ideas) Geno has entertained many coaches to sit in on his practices..... for anyone who asks to see what he is doing? If CT too bitter to swallow, go to ND..... Muffet is such an accomplished coach..... Becca Bryzinski (sp?) Kayla McBride.... others who she transformed from no names to star players.....

Just my thinking.... it seems like our mentality is shot. The acceptance of losing "well we are going to have to learn from it and get better" (yes but HOW?) .... The body language shows it..... our most dangerous asset on the court is a negative force now..... if you net out all her turnovers.... it is my broken record..... but it all comes down to coaching..... !!! (yes even the turnovers)..... we have a lot of talent..... for crying out loud.... 7 HS All Americans.... and we need the coaches to blend that talent into decent if not terrific chemistry..... I think of the high jump in track..... transforming horizontal athleticism into vertical athleticism.... and the key is in the transition.... that is what the Lady Vols need..... developing natural athletic talent into a blended top flite team

Yes as the thread says "an all time low" but in my estimation it doesn't have to be accepted as this..... "oh no here come the vaunted Oregon State team or the Kentucky team with their 2 HS All Americans vs our 7" ,.... and we think before the game that we are actually the underdogs..... and it is true we are what we think we are.....

The fix is obvious, and i hope it happens soon.... cause this is tough to witness.
 
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LasVegasBill23 said:
All the talk about Holly and how she has brought the program to a new low in just a short time.... complicit in this free fall are also..... 1. Pat Summitt ..... she hand picked Holly as the very best choice to carry on the Lady Vols dynasty.... when she is (always has been?) better suited to a top assistant's role.
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If she were her old self, Coach Summitt would realize Holly Warlick wasn't a good choice for head coach. Coach Summitt would admit her mistake and gently suggest a change. Because, that would be best for the players and the team. And, Coach Summitt put the players and team before anyone else, including herself. That's why she stepped down.
 
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she didn't step down, she was pushed out, by that bass turd Hart and booger finger Cheek.
 
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gule said:
she didn't step down, she was pushed out, by that bass turd Hart and booger finger Cheek.
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Pushed out? Summitt has dementia, and was no doubt suffering its early effects for years. In reality, she no doubt kept coaching at least two+ years longer than she should have. The program was showing definite signs of deterioration years before she stepped down.

As for chemistry, it seems pretty bad this year, for sure--but we've had chemistry/offensive issues for a LONG, long time. DeShields has actually hurt this team. Everyone thought she'd be a huge boost and she's been just the opposite. I don't say that to slam her: She is very athletic, but I think she's a big part of the chemistry problem and, beyond that, she's simply played badly most of the year. She tries to be too flashy, which accounts for a lot of turnovers, makes bad decisions and has missed a LOT of open shots all year. She's been an absolute mystery. She'll come down and effortlessly score a couple of baskets--and I think she and the team are on their way--and then she misses 7 out of next 8 shots, with three turnovers. That's how she's played this year. The offense is part of the problem, as usual; nobody has really played consistently, and the coaches are making substitutions willy nilly and seems to be more in a hoping than coaching mode. We have stretches EVERY GAME where we fall apart mentally--that has killed this team every year. A once steely program now is a marshmellow.
 
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One thing that is certain is that some of these highly rated players are not as good as advertised. I took a look at Deshields NC stats and was surprised to see that she shot .426 from the field for that season and 25 percent from the three point line. She also had 120 turnovers for them which was almost four a game. She also took 527 shots to average 18 points or 15 a game. She is shooting 39 percent here and 27 from the three so she isn't much worse here than she was there. The stats do not bear out that she was fabulous there only that she was a volume shooter who had a turnover problem. Ala the Lady Vols same game.
Cooper was only a 29 percent three point shooter in high school and a 45 percent shooter overall. She could easily get to the basket against the talent there and finish she hasn't been as successful doing that here.
Several players on our roster have never been very good shooters throughout their basketball career. The only ones that did well were Graves, Russell, Dunbar, and Middleton and Middleton has regressed and Dunbar hasn't played much.
Deshields had some big statistics in high school as far as scoring points don't know if that was because she shot a lot or that she hasn't been the same player in college.
Nared had a good field goal percentage but was awful from the three in the twenties.
All this is bearing out this season.
 
#43
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mcannon1 said:
If she were her old self, Coach Summitt would realize Holly Warlick wasn't a good choice for head coach. Coach Summitt would admit her mistake and gently suggest a change. Because, that would be best for the players and the team. And, Coach Summitt put the players and team before anyone else, including herself. That's why she stepped down.
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yes, point well taken and 100% in agreement...... it was a tough time for Pat of course and the program in general
 
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Volfan2012 said:
One thing that is certain is that some of these highly rated players are not as good as advertised. I took a look at Deshields NC stats and was surprised to see that she shot .426 from the field for that season and 25 percent from the three point line. She also had 120 turnovers for them which was almost four a game. She also took 527 shots to average 18 points or 15 a game. She is shooting 39 percent here and 27 from the three so she isn't much worse here than she was there. The stats do not bear out that she was fabulous there only that she was a volume shooter who had a turnover problem. Ala the Lady Vols same game.
Cooper was only a 29 percent three point shooter in high school and a 45 percent shooter overall. She could easily get to the basket against the talent there and finish she hasn't been as successful doing that here.
Several players on our roster have never been very good shooters throughout their basketball career. The only ones that did well were Graves, Russell, Dunbar, and Middleton and Middleton has regressed and Dunbar hasn't played much.
Deshields had some big statistics in high school as far as scoring points don't know if that was because she shot a lot or that she hasn't been the same player in college.
Nared had a good field goal percentage but was awful from the three in the twenties.
All this is bearing out this season.
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I am with you that our shooting has been off..... way off sometimes.... I continue to believe that this is the responsibility of the coaching staff..... there are adjustments which can and should be made.... i.e. changing the offensive scheme..... I do realize i am in the minority here perhaps.... vs those who say the coaches are not on the floor and have limited power to change things.... I believe it is 100% in their control.... there are coaching adjustments which should be made which lead directly to better shot selection, etc.....

as for players being overly hyped.... perhaps on occasion, but I personally am tired of having 7 HS all americans and getting beaten by teams with none!!! The assessors can not be wrong on that many players!!! We need to be accountable from top to bottom for the coaches and players we are
 
#46
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Somebody help me out. When is Russell going to learn some post moves? Granted, I haven't seen a whole lot of TN games. But even when double teamed, there are moves when executed quickly, a score can result. Many have pointed out that she misses too many bunnies. Active defense can do this, however, she should know every square inch of the glass and the angles that would result in easy baskets.
I think more time in the gym, as others have pointed out, is necessary. It wouldn't hurt to have Mercedes and Carter practicing alley oops. Even against a zone defense, and with her height, this play can be successful. Mercedes should be 15 and 10 every night.
Just saying...
 
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Volfan2012 said:
One thing that is certain is that some of these highly rated players are not as good as advertised. I took a look at Deshields NC stats and was surprised to see that she shot .426 from the field for that season and 25 percent from the three point line. She also had 120 turnovers for them which was almost four a game. She also took 527 shots to average 18 points or 15 a game. She is shooting 39 percent here and 27 from the three so she isn't much worse here than she was there......... QUOTE]

They are not as good as advertised because they have no chemistry and probably don't like each other very much. And if there is no chemistry at the college level, the ability to get past it and play is not that good (not mature enough yet).

As far as Deshields' stats are concerned, a player of her talent and caliber is gonna have stats like that early in her career. It's all a part of the growing process to being great....

This problem is two-fold: poor coaching and a huge chemistry problem that, IMO, has probably got the lockerroom divided and probably in cliques.....
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Volfan2012 said:
One thing that is certain is that some of these highly rated players are not as good as advertised. I took a look at Deshields NC stats and was surprised to see that she shot .426 from the field for that season and 25 percent from the three point line. She also had 120 turnovers for them which was almost four a game. She also took 527 shots to average 18 points or 15 a game. She is shooting 39 percent here and 27 from the three so she isn't much worse here than she was there. The stats do not bear out that she was fabulous there only that she was a volume shooter who had a turnover problem. Ala the Lady Vols same game.
Cooper was only a 29 percent three point shooter in high school and a 45 percent shooter overall. She could easily get to the basket against the talent there and finish she hasn't been as successful doing that here.
Several players on our roster have never been very good shooters throughout their basketball career. The only ones that did well were Graves, Russell, Dunbar, and Middleton and Middleton has regressed and Dunbar hasn't played much.
Deshields had some big statistics in high school as far as scoring points don't know if that was because she shot a lot or that she hasn't been the same player in college.
Nared had a good field goal percentage but was awful from the three in the twenties.
All this is bearing out this season.
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If Deshields is actually coachable (which maybe part of the issue at hand), bet you 10 to 1 she be a WCBB All-American at UConn or ND (two best offensively coached teams in the country). The talent and ability is clearly there. Imagine her in an offensive system that put in her good scoring position every time down the floor... with a coach that can teach her the difference between a good shot and a bad shot... good pass and bad pass. With the playground offensive Tennessee runs, they get forced in a bad shots and bad passes way to often.
 
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xhunt3r said:
If Deshields is actually coachable (which maybe part of the issue at hand), bet you 10 to 1 she be a WCBB All-American at UConn or ND (two best offensively coached teams in the country). The talent and ability is clearly there. Imagine her in an offensive system that put in her good scoring position every time down the floor... with a coach that can teach her the difference between a good shot and a bad shot... good pass and bad pass. With the playground offensive Tennessee runs, they get forced in a bad shots and bad passes way to often.
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If the Deshields of this year or two years ago were at UCONN, she'd be riding the bench, with the bad shooting percentages only one of the hurdles she would have to clear in order to get playing time.
 
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LadyVols2daCore said:
I love the Lady Vols and have been a die heart for the past 30 years. We have a lot to lose this year. When a team like the LV have as many All-Americans on it, there should not be any ranking issues. This team has imploded!
Tennesse has always been known for their defense and their rebounds. These young women stand around with their hands down with no pride exuding at all. You are wearing the Lady Vols uniform!!!
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I see no heart, emotions most of the games. its like they are zombies. We recruit players with no heart. You can say what you want to say, if you have pride in what your doing, and I don't see a proud group.

I don't see a group getting extra work in. But should HOlly be fired, no let's see how they and her respond, the response might be this year or next year.

WE are down. Let's see if our ladies have enough pride to get the fux up! Go Lady Vols. I back Pat and roll with Holly.

Can we trade players this late in the season?

:)
 
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