An objective view of the current LV woes.

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emkyle said:
Certainly not an attempt to maintain this as as some solid hypothesis. Just thoughts on what might be some of the unfortunate events that have altered the women's program of late. It is regrettable though that my comments have had such a disturbing effect on you. Perhaps you could ask your friend to ask his cousin to tap his resources to get you an appointment with this clinical psychologist. A few sessions and a prescription and you'll be good as new.
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I tried to make an appointment, but they said they knew I was already crazy and wouldn't waste their time. I already take several prescriptions-coffee, sunshine, and music. As needed....with an occasional beer, a tent and either a canyon or a mountain. Still crazy, though...even though I think the 'scripts are working great. I'm probably incurable. :loco:
 
#27
#27
I don't see her coming back next year. I think when the season's over they need to find a coach that isn't one of her asst. It pains me to think she'll probably gone next year.
 
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Yesterday was the first time I've ever been at a Lady Vols game. I am so disappointed in myself for not taking the time to go before now.
 
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I would guess that everyone in orange had a good time. Especially on senior day. Good festivities for that day, great crowd=fun times.
 
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vollygirl said:
Yesterday was the first time I've ever been at a Lady Vols game. I am so disappointed in myself for not taking the time to go before now.
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You need to saddle up and come to Nashville. The girls will need all the support they can get this year. The tourney looks like it will be one of the most competative in years as far as the number of teams that have a shot at it. It's always a good time and I usually end up sitting around the same people year in and year out. It's not planned, but it's happened several times. The only time I had a better time than the SEC tourney was at the Final Four in 2008 at Tampa while sitting beside a smug UCONN fan. I was nice and friendly but this chump made it hard. I did get the last laugh.
 
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Slydell said:
I can agree with that. I disagree with the thought of it going on for 3-4 years. And, if Pat had never disclosed her diagnosis, these types of discussions wouldn't be going on. The discussions might be regarding some coaching factors or the inconsistency of the players, etc. just as they have been regarding the men's basketball and football teams over the past three years.
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Wrong. Discussions about her health would be in overdrive. The fact that one of the most competitive persons on the planet had become so obviously removed from the game.....nobody would regard THAT as some innocuous coaching factor. Everyone would have known instinctively that there was something seriously wrong with Pat.

It's a little disconcerting to read these comments about how Pat could have concealed her condition. If that notion is supposed to blunt the talk about the head-coaching-future of the program, I think it's poorly conceived and disrespectful to CPS.
 
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#32
Don't forget that she took herself to Mayo and all, because she knew something was wrong.
 
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therealitytheory said:
Wrong. Discussions about her health would be in overdrive. The fact that one of the most competitive persons on the planet had become so obviously removed from the game.....nobody would regard THAT as some innocuous coaching factor. Everyone would have known instinctively that there was something seriously wrong with Pat.

It's a little disconcerting to read these comments about how Pat could have concealed her condition. If that notion is supposed to blunt the talk about the head-coaching-future of the program, I think it's poorly conceived and disrespectful to CPS.
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I hope you didn't read into any part of my comment that I suggested she should have concealed anything. For anyone saying this has been ongoing for 3-4 years is ridiculous. And, my opinion again, if the problem was unknown there would not be this pointing and chattering going on about it. Pat let the information be known as soon as she knew exactly what her problem is. I would say she never even hesitated about making that decision.
 
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therealitytheory said:
Wrong. Discussions about her health would be in overdrive. The fact that one of the most competitive persons on the planet had become so obviously removed from the game.....nobody would regard THAT as some innocuous coaching factor. Everyone would have known instinctively that there was something seriously wrong with Pat.

It's a little disconcerting to read these comments about how Pat could have concealed her condition. If that notion is supposed to blunt the talk about the head-coaching-future of the program, I think it's poorly conceived and disrespectful to CPS.
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What would the discussion center around?
 
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therealitytheory said:
Wrong. Discussions about her health would be in overdrive. The fact that one of the most competitive persons on the planet had become so obviously removed from the game.....nobody would regard THAT as some innocuous coaching factor. Everyone would have known instinctively that there was something seriously wrong with Pat.

It's a little disconcerting to read these comments about how Pat could have concealed her condition. If that notion is supposed to blunt the talk about the head-coaching-future of the program, I think it's poorly conceived and disrespectful to CPS.
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Ridiculous. :no:
 
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bUTrosbUTrosVOLie said:
I have a friend who was a distant cousin of a person who ate at a restaurant with a woman who babysat a little leaguer who played baseball with the great great grandson of a famous clinical psychologist. He told me that AFTER Pat disclosed her dementia he COULD JUST TELL she had had massive problems for the four previous years.
All this pure speculation based on conjecture makes me (almost) wish Pat was more selfish and had never even mentioned it....except that wouldn't be Pat. She has always tried to make lemonade out of lemons.
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Asinine. Childish.
 
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WA_Vol said:
I think she will step down when she is not able to coach at the level she wants. She has nothing to prove to anyone.
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:yes: Totally agree! This current team leaves a lot to be desired. They don't have the motiviation to make it to the final 4 or even the sweet 16. I'll be surprised if they make the sweet 16 or even elite 8. I hope I'm proved wrong.:whistling:
 
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I don't think Pat would have disclosed the illness if she did not want it discussed and discussed intensely. I think she wants a light shined on her situation in order to bring focus on it and perhaps help to other sufferers who are less celebrated than she is. Having never met the woman, only watched her coach, it seems that is the kind of person she is - willing to face a struggle publicly in order that the struggle does not remain in the shadows for others.

I think it is fair to discuss her future from all perspectives without being labeled vultures or head-in-the-sand ostriches. She probably realized long ago that it was necessary to reveal the situation because she knew she might not be able to make the right decision when the time calls for it. Imagine if none of us knew about this and the team disintegrated rapidly. Imagine our outrage if the AD had to fire her without anyone knowing the real situation. Pat is a smart woman, a smart coach. She knows the score. She has devised the strategy and it is up to all of us to play fairly and with good sportsmanship.
 
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Slydell said:
I hope you didn't read into any part of my comment that I suggested she should have concealed anything. For anyone saying this has been ongoing for 3-4 years is ridiculous. And, my opinion again, if the problem was unknown there would not be this pointing and chattering going on about it. Pat let the information be known as soon as she knew exactly what her problem is. I would say she never even hesitated about making that decision.
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Absolutely agree. There are always up and down years in recruiting, and the fact is that there are a lot of other teams that outstanding recruits can choose these days, and that's why we don't see year after year of dominating teams. I see absolutely no reason to believe that the senior class was recruited and coached as freshman by someone already afflicted with dementia. And sad to say, it looks like it is the rapidly-progressing type, so I doubt that this has been going on for 4 years.

Pat said herself that she started seeing that something was wrong last year, when this class were juniors, and she didn't stop looking for a diagnosis until sadly, she found it.

It was a gutsy decision on her part to go public, knowing all the second-guessing that would follow, and even if she weren't the most successful college coach EVER, this alone would be a remarkable and memorable achievement. She had the courage to reveal herself as suddenly broken in a fundamental and irreversible (for now) way, allowing us all to think through what it means to be a thinking, creative, ambitious, determined, and successful human being, and what it might be like if that were suddenly derailed.

That is the mark of a gracious, and giving, and ultimately humble person, and it's a legacy that is beyond measure.
 
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#42
The OP is spot on. It's not like it just hit her last summer. It's likely little details have been missed by her for a few years now and that is definitely a major contributing factor to the Lady Vols quick fall from being one of the two or three best programs year in and year out. It's sad, but it's reality. This should be her last season and all those cheering for her return next season are being extremely selfish. Those closest to her should be advising her to retire at the end of this season. It's painful to hear, but it's the truth
 
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#43
She may decide that this is the last year, but I don't get that feeling. I think she wants to go a little longer so I guess we will have to wait and see. I don't think the coaching by committee is working, so if she does come back, I hope they make some stronger distinctions in regards to who is in charge. If it's Holly, then she needs to do all the things that the head coach does. I still want to see Nicki come home when it's time.
 
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Orange Maniac said:
She may decide that this is the last year, but I don't get that feeling. I think she wants to go a little longer so I guess we will have to wait and see. I don't think the coaching by committee is working, so if she does come back, I hope they make some stronger distinctions in regards to who is in charge. If it's Holly, then she needs to do all the things that the head coach does. I still want to see Nicki come home when it's time.
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That's who my dad wants as well. We talked about it on the way up to the game Sunday.

As far as recruiting goes, Caldwell would be hard to turn down. You're a high school player and wanted to be coached by Pat Summitt. The next best thing would be having one of her former players, who also coached under her, and went on as a head coach with a winning record, to be your coach.
 
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Probably a poor analogy and certainly not trying to drift into the political but when you consider the typical decline of those with organic brain diseases it takes me back to Ronald Reagan's 2nd term and the few years following his presidency up until his alzhiemers diagnosis was made publc. I personally admired the man but there were people that came forward later that spoke of possible early symptoms of his illness and decline while he was still in office. Guess it was easy to over look due to him being close to 80. Still It's a cruel and slow fate and I don't believe Coach Summit could have known unless she was having serial imaging or MRIs done to pick up atrophy or white matter changes. Tough hard working lady that she is, she wouldn't take time to run to her dr very frequently.
 
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2ironVol said:
The OP is spot on. It's not like it just hit her last summer. It's likely little details have been missed by her for a few years now and that is definitely a major contributing factor to the Lady Vols quick fall from being one of the two or three best programs year in and year out. It's sad, but it's reality. This should be her last season and all those cheering for her return next season are being extremely selfish. Those closest to her should be advising her
to retire at the end of this season. It's painful
to hear, but it's the truth
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1 million percent agree.
 
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