an outsider's prespective

#26
#26
While Pearl has been here, no player has been selected in the NBA draft.

This year, we apparently had players capable of changing that, but this is his worst team.

sometimes, that's how it is in college basketball. last year's north carolina team had plenty of talent and received an invitation to the NIT

last year's tennessee team made the elite 8. i have no doubt in my mind that the 2008 tennessee team was better. but, it didn't go as far in the tournament.

florida's 2000 team almost lost in the 1st round (should have lost). they eventually made it all the way to the championship game losing to michigan state.

last year's duke team was not near as good as several duke squads that failed to win the national championship. they beat a butler team that was not the second best team in the country.

it's college basketball. it's the ncaa tournament. bruce pearl has put a consistent product on the floor and this is a down year.
 
#27
#27
The more minutes Pearl plays the more games we win.

You are dead on. I would much rather have S Pearl out there like at Fla. turning the ball over, dribbling in and clanking one off the underside of the rim, trying to hook around the Fla point guard and fouling him and just all around being two or three seconds slow for every reaction; than I would having Tobias on the floor. Extremely sound strategy in a slow halfcourt game.

Are you a relative, just listen to the announcers and don't actually watch the games or what?
 
#28
#28
Good post 99. Agree with you. Noted your good insights from TOS in past years.

Please note folks that SP did not contribute to wining or losing the game yesterday or any day previously. The coaching staff makes the decision to use him more or less based on individual game situations. So judge them for their coaching abilities/decisions and not SP. He is doing his best with what he has. My question about his and McBee's usage always regards whether they could give those minutes to someone that's more productive or with more upside.
 
#31
#31
'78-'79 Vols were 12-11 and 6-6 in the conference, then won 9 in a row before losing close to Notre Dame in the 2nd round of the NCAAs. I'll ride along with this team until the last game of the year is played.
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#34
#34
i will lay out what i have seen from tennessee basketball and people here can take it for what it's worth.

there is one thing i see that is a coaching problem. the other issues i see are because the team is flawed. it happens, especially after losing several members of an elite 8 squad. florida went to the NIT two years in a row and i know billy donovan can coach.

ok, the coaching problem. tennessee plays too many players. if you are going to play an arkansas "40 minutes of hell" style basketball, then you can wear opponents down with pace and depth. if you are going to play at a halfcourt pace, you aren't going to wear out your opponent. so, some of the guys on the very end of the bench don't need to play or at least not play significant minutes. and they definitely don't need to play during critical junctures of the game. i won't mention names of players, but it's kind of obvious.

not to mention, there are some guys who don't bring anything to the table that get playing time. they don't defend well. they don't penetrate a defense off the dribble. they don't set up teammates for baskets. they don't strech a defense and open up the floor for the other players on the court. they don't shoot well from the perimeter. they don't block shots or make steals. they don't hit free throws. why the hell are they in the game?

that part is coaching.

the other aspects are situations where the staff is playing the hand they are dealt.

there is not a dominant post presence. there isn't a good floor general. there isn't a consistent outside shooting threat. scotty hopson is asked to do too much. he can't be the team's main offensive scoring threat and distribute to his teammates. that's a hard thing to ask of a player. they don't shoot free throws well.

despite all the problems that have taken place, tennessee has lost 5 games by either a single point or in overtime. while i do subscribe to the bill parcells maxim that "you are what your record says you are", the fact is there isn't a whole lot that would have to have taken place for tennessee to be 20-5 and having the best record in the SEC instead of 15-10. you can't "suck" and have a bad coach and beat pitt, villanova, and vandy. they also have been in the game down to the wire against several other quality opponents.

when you have a proven coach (and pearl is a proven coach) and the team isn't playing all that great, it usually means the players are the problem. either they are young and need to improve or they are not overly talented. but, when you are not duke, you go through some less then memorable seasons.

florida has been the exact opposite this season. florida has won 5 games by a single point or in overtime this season. sometimes that's just the way it goes, because **** happens.

pearl isn't phil fulmer and this isn't football. florida, north carolina, connecticut, syracuse, and maryland have all missed the ncaa tournament since the year 2000 and all of them have won the ncaa championship since 2000. they are all coached by likely basketball hall of fame coaches. michigan state, duke, and kansas are the other schools who won titles since that time and michigan state is in serious jeopardy of missing the tourney. tom izzo is yet another hall of fame coach.

good luck the rest of the season. i am betting tennessee makes the dance.

Not a bad post. You should be proud of yourself kid.
 
#35
#35
I guess sometimes it takes an outsiders perspective for clarity. I truly think 99 hit this one on the head.
 
#36
#36
While Pearl has been here, no player has been selected in the NBA draft.

This year, we apparently had players capable of changing that, but this is his worst team.

This thing about getting guys drafted doesn't really matter to me. How many of Izzo's guys are tearing it up in the NBA? How many of Gonzaga's? How many of Huggins'? My point is, you have 2 rounds of what, 24 in the NBA, so 48 guys each year. With foreign players taken, you might have 40 spots each year. Getting guys to the NBA is not a great measure of coaching. I understand your point about Pearl not doing well with talented guys. To me that is a plus, because so few of the difference makers come along. Calapari has struck gold with point guards and that has helped him. I think 99gator is right on about it being difficult for him long term. Still, winning 20 a year and being in the tournament is a nice program. 3 or 4 final 4's in a 20 year stint is successful in my book. Whether you have NBA guys or not. :thumbsup:
 
#37
#37
To the OP - Thanks for talking the time to post an objective outsider's view. I appreciated the perspective.

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#38
#38
You are dead on. I would much rather have S Pearl out there like at Fla. turning the ball over, dribbling in and clanking one off the underside of the rim, trying to hook around the Fla point guard and fouling him and just all around being two or three seconds slow for every reaction; than I would having Tobias on the floor. Extremely sound strategy in a slow halfcourt game.

Are you a relative, just listen to the announcers and don't actually watch the games or what?

Pearl is a solid contributor and has been since last season.
 
#39
#39
for one bad year? sure there is.

it's college basketball. there are players you are going to hit and miss on.

there are other clubs that are also going to rise and fall from year to year.

tennessee has made the sweet sixteen 3 of the last 4 years. the other schools that accomplished that are kansas, north carolina, memphis, and michigan state.

that's it.

Three of the last four years, we've made the Sweet Sixteen.

Two of the last three years (this year included), we've vastly underachieved.

That's not "can him now!" (unless the NCAA letter is pretty bad), but it does mean that we should start expecting results sooner rather than later.
 
#41
#41
Three of the last four years, we've made the Sweet Sixteen.

Two of the last three years (this year included), we've vastly underachieved.

That's not "can him now!" (unless the NCAA letter is pretty bad), but it does mean that we should start expecting results sooner rather than later.

1. you've gotten results. this is a bad year following some very good results and accomplishments. it's not like tennessee has been average and now is having a less than average season. they've been way above average.

2. tennessee was picked 4th in the SEC east before the season started.
 
#42
#42
i will lay out what i have seen from tennessee basketball and people here can take it for what it's worth.

there is one thing i see that is a coaching problem. the other issues i see are because the team is flawed. it happens, especially after losing several members of an elite 8 squad. florida went to the NIT two years in a row and i know billy donovan can coach.

ok, the coaching problem. tennessee plays too many players. if you are going to play an arkansas "40 minutes of hell" style basketball, then you can wear opponents down with pace and depth. if you are going to play at a halfcourt pace, you aren't going to wear out your opponent. so, some of the guys on the very end of the bench don't need to play or at least not play significant minutes. and they definitely don't need to play during critical junctures of the game. i won't mention names of players, but it's kind of obvious.

not to mention, there are some guys who don't bring anything to the table that get playing time. they don't defend well. they don't penetrate a defense off the dribble. they don't set up teammates for baskets. they don't strech a defense and open up the floor for the other players on the court. they don't shoot well from the perimeter. they don't block shots or make steals. they don't hit free throws. why the hell are they in the game?

that part is coaching.

the other aspects are situations where the staff is playing the hand they are dealt.

there is not a dominant post presence. there isn't a good floor general. there isn't a consistent outside shooting threat. scotty hopson is asked to do too much. he can't be the team's main offensive scoring threat and distribute to his teammates. that's a hard thing to ask of a player. they don't shoot free throws well.

despite all the problems that have taken place, tennessee has lost 5 games by either a single point or in overtime. while i do subscribe to the bill parcells maxim that "you are what your record says you are", the fact is there isn't a whole lot that would have to have taken place for tennessee to be 20-5 and having the best record in the SEC instead of 15-10. you can't "suck" and have a bad coach and beat pitt, villanova, and vandy. they also have been in the game down to the wire against several other quality opponents.

when you have a proven coach (and pearl is a proven coach) and the team isn't playing all that great, it usually means the players are the problem. either they are young and need to improve or they are not overly talented. but, when you are not duke, you go through some less then memorable seasons.

florida has been the exact opposite this season. florida has won 5 games by a single point or in overtime this season. sometimes that's just the way it goes, because **** happens.

pearl isn't phil fulmer and this isn't football. florida, north carolina, connecticut, syracuse, and maryland have all missed the ncaa tournament since the year 2000 and all of them have won the ncaa championship since 2000. they are all coached by likely basketball hall of fame coaches. michigan state, duke, and kansas are the other schools who won titles since that time and michigan state is in serious jeopardy of missing the tourney. tom izzo is yet another hall of fame coach.

good luck the rest of the season. i am betting tennessee makes the dance.

You may be a filthy, disgusting reptile :)P), but you are absolutely correct. Great post.
 
#43
#43
i will lay out what i have seen from tennessee basketball and people here can take it for what it's worth.

there is one thing i see that is a coaching problem. the other issues i see are because the team is flawed. it happens, especially after losing several members of an elite 8 squad. florida went to the NIT two years in a row and i know billy donovan can coach.

ok, the coaching problem. tennessee plays too many players. if you are going to play an arkansas "40 minutes of hell" style basketball, then you can wear opponents down with pace and depth. if you are going to play at a halfcourt pace, you aren't going to wear out your opponent. so, some of the guys on the very end of the bench don't need to play or at least not play significant minutes. and they definitely don't need to play during critical junctures of the game. i won't mention names of players, but it's kind of obvious.

not to mention, there are some guys who don't bring anything to the table that get playing time. they don't defend well. they don't penetrate a defense off the dribble. they don't set up teammates for baskets. they don't strech a defense and open up the floor for the other players on the court. they don't shoot well from the perimeter. they don't block shots or make steals. they don't hit free throws. why the hell are they in the game?

that part is coaching.

the other aspects are situations where the staff is playing the hand they are dealt.

there is not a dominant post presence. there isn't a good floor general. there isn't a consistent outside shooting threat. scotty hopson is asked to do too much. he can't be the team's main offensive scoring threat and distribute to his teammates. that's a hard thing to ask of a player. they don't shoot free throws well.

despite all the problems that have taken place, tennessee has lost 5 games by either a single point or in overtime. while i do subscribe to the bill parcells maxim that "you are what your record says you are", the fact is there isn't a whole lot that would have to have taken place for tennessee to be 20-5 and having the best record in the SEC instead of 15-10. you can't "suck" and have a bad coach and beat pitt, villanova, and vandy. they also have been in the game down to the wire against several other quality opponents.

when you have a proven coach (and pearl is a proven coach) and the team isn't playing all that great, it usually means the players are the problem. either they are young and need to improve or they are not overly talented. but, when you are not duke, you go through some less then memorable seasons.

florida has been the exact opposite this season. florida has won 5 games by a single point or in overtime this season. sometimes that's just the way it goes, because **** happens.

pearl isn't phil fulmer and this isn't football. florida, north carolina, connecticut, syracuse, and maryland have all missed the ncaa tournament since the year 2000 and all of them have won the ncaa championship since 2000. they are all coached by likely basketball hall of fame coaches. michigan state, duke, and kansas are the other schools who won titles since that time and michigan state is in serious jeopardy of missing the tourney. tom izzo is yet another hall of fame coach.

good luck the rest of the season. i am betting tennessee makes the dance.
Your third point is right on:thumbsup:.
 
#44
#44
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#45
#45
1. you've gotten results. this is a bad year following some very good results and accomplishments. it's not like tennessee has been average and now is having a less than average season. they've been way above average.

2. tennessee was picked 4th in the SEC east before the season started.

1. When I say "results," I mean we should start living up to expectations. We can't keep underachieving.

2. We were preseason top 25. We aren't in the top 25 now. Also, we're 5th in the East.
 
#46
#46
Peal is the problem. He is making the money, he has a new honey and he thinks all is sunny. The dude used to coach with a chip on his shoulder and his players played that way. Now he is reduced to cheating and lying. It reflects in his team.
 
#47
#47
Why doesn't Kenny Hall ever get to play? I may be out of the loop because I'm not a UT fan, but I thought he played really well in spurts as a freshman last year. I don't understand why Pearl or Maymon play over him.
 

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