Analysis of our losses

#26
#26
govols1960 said:
The part I don't understand is that we've been waiting for years now for a game like Georgia and then we finally win a game like the Carolina game and all's well in big orange country. Since then we look like a bunch of neighborhood kids running around the yard without a clue what to do. I just don't get it....its the simple things that every football player has been coached to do for years and years and we still look lost on kick off coverage and special teams....beats the crap out of me why !!
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Although I do believe Team 117 became a bit cocky after beating South Carolina, it is going to take more than one game to completely "turn the corner" for Tennessee. If you're still waiting for this team to magically transform over night, I'd seek help.
 
#27
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govols1960 said:
The part I don't understand is that we've been waiting for years now for a game like Georgia and then we finally win a game like the Carolina game and all's well in big orange country. Since then we look like a bunch of neighborhood kids running around the yard without a clue what to do. I just don't get it....its the simple things that every football player has been coached to do for years and years and we still look lost on kick off coverage and special teams....beats the crap out of me why !!
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It's almost as if we've played a bunch of top 10 teams.
 
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#29
OP,

Your argument for the UF loss is weak, IMO. There is no way that QB (who had never played before) should have had the success he did. And don't give me that, "we didn't have any film on him" crap. UT had just played Oregon the week prior. It should've looked like slow motion to the D.

As far as UGA goes, the D played better for 58 minutes. However, the game is 60 minutes.
 
#30
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GAVol said:
It's almost as if we've played a bunch of top 10 teams.
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Yes we have...but we look like we're herding cats most of the time. Just becuase we've played top ranked teams doesn't mean we have to play lost most every play.
we're very unorganized.
 
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#31
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Boca Vol said:
OP,

Your argument for the UF loss is weak, IMO. There is no way that QB (who had never played before) should have had the success he did. And don't give me that, "we didn't have any film on him" crap. UT had just played Oregon the week prior. It should've looked like slow motion to the D.

As far as UGA goes, the D played better for 58 minutes. However, the game is 60 minutes.
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You may have a point, but at this point it holds little weight. The end result must still be the same: Future recruits need to be able to play fast on the field. Strength can be added, fundamentals can be coached, but speed is only God given.
 
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MSME Vol said:
You may have a point, but at this point it holds little weight. The end result must still be the same: Future recruits need to be able to play fast on the field. Strength can be added, fundamentals can be coached, but speed is only God given.
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Speed is God given, but when you add intelligence and fundamentals to the mix you get a defensive performance like Stanford put on Oregon.

Give me a 4.6 player with intelligence, fundamentals, and instincts over a 4.4 player that simply relies on speed any day of the week!
 
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Boca Vol said:
OP,

Your argument for the UF loss is weak, IMO. There is no way that QB (who had never played before) should have had the success he did. And don't give me that, "we didn't have any film on him" crap. UT had just played Oregon the week prior. It should've looked like slow motion to the D.

As far as UGA goes, the D played better for 58 minutes. However, the game is 60 minutes.
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The OP cites a bad example...we didn't lose to UF because of their QB, we lost by Peterman turning it over 3 times in his first 4 possessions and also contributing to the other TO.

That their QB had some modest success against us is almost irrelevant.
 
#37
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BanditVol said:
The OP cites a bad example...we didn't lose to UF because of their QB, we lost by Peterman turning it over 3 times in his first 4 possessions and also contributing to the other TO.

That their QB had some modest success against us is almost irrelevant.
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You are correct and TO's are the reason Florida lost to Vandy.
 
#38
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BanditVol said:
The OP cites a bad example...we didn't lose to UF because of their QB, we lost by Peterman turning it over 3 times in his first 4 possessions and also contributing to the other TO.

That their QB had some modest success against us is almost irrelevant.
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There were several posters on here using that excuse after the UF game...that we weren't prepared for their backup (who hadn't taken a snap).

Do you think Bama used that excuse when Daryl Dickey came in for T Rob in the '85 Bama game?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Speed is God given, but when you add intelligence and fundamentals to the mix you get a defensive performance like Stanford put on Oregon.

Give me a 4.6 player with intelligence, fundamentals, and instincts over a 4.4 player that simply relies on speed any day of the week!
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I take either one of those players over any of our 4.9 players with 2 star heart.
 
#44
#44
utshawn said:
Continuing to hear the lack of speed excuse made me go back and look at all of our losses and wins for that matter. After, I get it and fully agree with speed being the number one issue with this team. There are other issues but speed is the most glaring.

Breakdown of losses
1. Oregon - offense with a super fast QB that runs a super fast zone read offense on steroids

2. Florida - The Nathan Peterman experience and the insertion of a fast backup QB that we had no film on. When we played Florida Murphy was a run first QB and it played to our weakness.

3. Georgia - This game should have been won by us so nothing to see here except that our defense played better against them because it was a pro style offense meaning Gap assignments are more important than speed

4. Mizzou - a form of the zone read with a supper fast white boy (much faster than Shaw) and super fast RB.

5. Alabama - I hate Alabama but anybody that says they are not in a different class than anyone in the nation is just in denial.

6. Auburn - yet another zone read offense with a super fast QB and RB.

In looking at the losses, it is clear that this defense cannot defend against teams with elite talent that run the zone read or a form of the zone read. You can take all the right angles and play assignment all you want but it will be for not if you don't have the speed as well because you start trying to over compensate which then causes bad angels and guessing where the play will go.

So yes, when CBJ says speed is the biggest issue with this defense, he is correct. The good thing is that the next 2 teams are pro style and for that I believe we win out.

As for the future, like it or not, zone read is going to become the norm in College. A coach does not have time to rebuild a program as a typical pro style like Bama. The Zone read attracts elite offensive talent immediately and in bulk. Lets face it, there is no patience at any program for a 5 year rebuild plan that an elite pro-style would take. CBJ knows this and he knows that you can't teach speed.
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Good post.
To simplify it a little further.
The teams that beat us were running the same Offense we run. With exception of bama and Uga, and you addressed them nicely.
The difference being they have been running it longer, and practicing against it week in week out. Plus we are having to run a watered down version.
For their defense, it was like a 3rd grader looking at 2 grade math. They knew where it was going better than our players.
That will change when the players are more familiar with everything.
GBO
 
#45
#45
There have been so many threads with people making excuses for losing.

It isn't the losing that pisses people off.

It is the embarrassment from getting taken behind the woodshed. The lack of defense. The lack of leadership on the field. There is no excuse for the no show against the top teams. UT was run off the field vs. 5 teams this season. This counts Florida because we were no threat in the second half.

Oregon and Alabama are excused, but the other 3 are on the coaches for not having a gameplan to at least be competitive.
 
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#46
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wolfej said:
If you want to see evidence of this look at the long run Neal had against Alabama. If he was as fast as DAT or [insert speedy back here] he would have been gone for 6.
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Then why has the speed bs just started popping up everywhere this year? Where were all these bs excuse speed threads 3 years ago? It's a different excuse every year. People are running out of excuses, that's exactly what's happening.
 
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checkerboards09 said:
Then why has the speed bs just started popping up everywhere this year? Where were all these bs excuse speed threads 3 years ago? It's a different excuse every year. People are running out of excuses, that's exactly what's happening.
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This
 
#49
#49
checkerboards09 said:
Then why has the speed bs just started popping up everywhere this year? Where were all these bs excuse speed threads 3 years ago? It's a different excuse every year. People are running out of excuses, that's exactly what's happening.
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Agree. At some point the excuses will have to run out.

Speed doesn't equal effort.
 
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#50
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checkerboards09 said:
Then why has the speed bs just started popping up everywhere this year? Where were all these bs excuse speed threads 3 years ago? It's a different excuse every year. People are running out of excuses, that's exactly what's happening.
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I don't remember what the complaints were 3 years ago honestly. This year speed is a problem, whether you want to blow it off as an excuse or not. We are slow AND inexperienced. One or the other can be covered up sometimes, but rarely can you do both in the first year of your system.

I've seen multiple players in position to make plays and not be able to make the play because they couldn't tackle them which at this point in their career is on the player and not the coach. If you make it to D1 football and still can't tackle then no amount of coaching is going to fix that.
 
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