Anarchy In Portland

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#927
37L1 said:
They had video of that guy shooting a taser at the cops before he, himself, got shot. That didn't stop the riot/protest/riot, did it?

Facts Don't Matter.
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You might be right but tension was already really high at that point that any kind of incident would have been blown up whether justified or not. But for those with other motives like the leaders of BLM I do agree that facts don’t matter.
 
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ETV said:
Election year, meaning that no punches are pulled and everything is fair game. Typical shady political BS.

No matter whether an edited or unedited version was released, or if there were 10 other camera's rolling with different points of view showing Mr. Floyd in a more aggressive role, it wouldn't have changed much regarding what we're seeing today.

Radicals have been waiting for a situation like this to occur for quite some time.
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You might be right there. What’ll be interesting to watch is how Biden appeases the radicals while trying not to turn off the majority of the country.
 
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luthervol said:
Make it kids in the road in a subdivision on Halloween.
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Ok and driving on a legal road when these “kids” run up to him and hit his car and throw a motorcycle in front of it to keep him illegally detained. Still he did nothing wrong
 
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#931
utvolpj said:
Forward is easier, safer and faster. My safety is paramount. My kids are single digits and know that standing in front of a moving car is bad. Maybe the parents of these "protesters" should have taught them better
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Man PJ..... your kids sure are smart. I bet they could get a gig in Portland teaching adults street safety 😎.... someone needs to
 
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GoDucks349 said:
so lets get this right.

1. Why was the guy in the pickup there?
2. It's been suggested that he was fearful and that's why he ran over a motorcycle.
3. So we have an armed man in a pickup who is fearful of the situation around him.... What is he afraid of? It doesn't appear that anyone threatened him or detained him illegally. The simple explanation is that he went there looking for trouble.
Also, Campbell street is a side street, it's one of those streets you have to go looking for. Now if this had happened on Lombard Street it would be more questionable as that is a main route.
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According to police, the driver drove through the group of protesters, NOT the protesters gathering around the vehicle. This was clearly a situation created by the driver.
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If he was looking for trouble he sure did a good job of avoiding it. Please point out what he did that was illegal.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Of course not.

However, carrying a weapon and going out looking for a confrontation is very questionable. Do you really think that if this driver had been supportive of the protesters that any issues would have come up? Answer, of course not. So that infers that he was there looking to stir things up and that make being armed a bit more of a problem.
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Arent they looking to stir things up too? Isn't that what protests are for? Who gets to say who can stir things and who can't? Why does he have to support them, he's allowed to counterprotest. Hell he's allowed to call them whatever the hell he wants.

You should train for the next Olympics, mental gymnastics is right up your alley.
 
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luthervol said:
Make it kids in the road in a subdivision on Halloween.
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Not the exact comparison as you mention above but here goes.. As a kid when we played football in the street, we knew that when a car is coming...car slows down....game pauses and we move to sides of street to let car pass so we can get back to game...we wouldn't throw something in front of vehicle because the driver was infringing on our right to play street football. But hey we had common sense and respect for others.
ETA: And a healthy fear of getting our butts beat by our parents.
 
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tntar heel said:
Not the exact comparison as you mention above but here goes.. As a kid when we played football in the street, we knew that when a car is coming...car slows down....game pauses and we move to sides of street to let car pass so we can get back to game...we wouldn't throw something in front of vehicle because the driver was infringing on our right to play street football. But hey we had common sense and respect for others.
ETA: And a healthy fear of getting our butts beat by our parents.
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I was making the point about a person having a more than reasonable expectation that he would encounter people in the streets and an understanding as to what they are doing there.
That is not true with your football comparison.
 
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#940
luthervol said:
I was making the point about a person having a more than reasonable expectation that he would encounter people in the streets and an understanding as to what they are doing there.
That is not true with your football comparison.
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On October 31st everyone in this country realizes there may be young kids in the street for a couple of hours. It's known, recognized and accepted across the US. Kids also realize they need to move when a car comes

there is absolutely nothing like that for idiots who want to blockade roads, stop traffic and intimate citizens. This is one of your worst takes ever
 
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utvolpj said:
On October 31st everyone in this country realizes there may be young kids in the street for a couple of hours. It's known, recognized and accepted across the US. Kids also realize they need to move when a car comes

there is absolutely nothing like that for idiots who want to blockade roads, stop traffic and intimate citizens. This is one of your worst takes ever
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You have got to be joking.
If there are known protests going on in a certain section of Atlanta, and I drive to that section, I would fully expect to encounter protesters. For anyone to take any other position is asinine.
I'm saying nothing about the protesters' right to be there or the appropriateness of their actions. I'm simply saying that if you drive your truck to an area where people are protesting, you will encounter protesters.
It's actually a pretty simple concept, but I'm becoming increasingly aware that even the simplest of concepts is beyond the grasp of many.
 
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luthervol said:
You have got to be joking.
If there are known protests going on in a certain section of Atlanta, and I drive to that section, I would fully expect to encounter protesters. For anyone to take any other position is asinine.
I'm saying nothing about the protesters' right to be there or the appropriateness of their actions. I'm simply saying that if you drive your truck to an area where people are protesting, you will encounter protesters.
It's actually a pretty simple concept, but I'm becoming increasingly aware that even the simplest of concepts is beyond the grasp of many.
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People have places to go , roadways take those people to their destination. It’s illegal to walk down or block the roadways just like it’s illegal to drive on the sidewalks . People on foot use sidewalks to avoid getting ran over by said people in vehicles on roadways . I agree it’s a simple concept a lot are having problems understanding .
 
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luthervol said:
You have got to be joking.
If there are known protests going on in a certain section of Atlanta, and I drive to that section, I would fully expect to encounter protesters. For anyone to take any other position is asinine.
I'm saying nothing about the protesters' right to be there or the appropriateness of their actions. I'm simply saying that if you drive your truck to an area where people are protesting, you will encounter protesters.
It's actually a pretty simple concept, but I'm becoming increasingly aware that even the simplest of concepts is beyond the grasp of many.
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How do I know which roads these idiots will be blocking? If they surround my truck and attempt to blockade my path what should I do? Just hope they are peaceful and won't hurt me or my family?

You compared a decades old, lawful tradition that happens one night every year to random morons blocking an active roadway and being surprised when people want to continue on their way. This is the simplest of concepts you are messing up
 
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luthervol said:
I think everyone personally evaluates each situation.
Someone walks into a bank or a church in full camo carrying a rifle should be viewed differently than someone walking into the woods in full camo carrying a rifle. Or at least I would view them differently and assign different levels of threat and intent.
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The bottom line is here is that typically these protests typically migrate. They start at point a then make their way to point b. The mob goes where they want, so do people traveling. They may know a general area where protestors are going to be but many people have business they need to attend to. Hell they don't even need an excuse to be out it's a free country with laws, blocking a road, attempting to barricade a motorist are both illegal. Quit breaking laws and expecting a good outcome. Hell this went as well as it could have. Protestors have to be aware of motorists, they do not own the roadway.
 
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luthervol said:
You have got to be joking.
If there are known protests going on in a certain section of Atlanta, and I drive to that section, I would fully expect to encounter protesters. For anyone to take any other position is asinine.
I'm saying nothing about the protesters' right to be there or the appropriateness of their actions. I'm simply saying that if you drive your truck to an area where people are protesting, you will encounter protesters.
It's actually a pretty simple concept, but I'm becoming increasingly aware that even the simplest of concepts is beyond the grasp of many.
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Unless you can positively confirm this person had no reason to be traveling on that road (or anyone on any given road for that matter) at that time for the purpose of going from point A to point B then you've got the square root of jack backing up your position. These are not "their" (the protestors) roads and should absolutely, positively not have that idea conceded to them in any way, shape or form.
 
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hndog609 said:
Unless you can positively confirm this person had no reason to be traveling on that road (or anyone on any given road for that matter) at that time for the purpose of going from point A to point B then you've got the square root of jack backing up your position. These are not "their" (the protestors) roads and should absolutely, positively not have that idea conceded to them in any way, shape or form.
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Your comprehension skills amount to the cube root of squat.
I'll slow it down for you.
If-you-travel- to- an- area- where- protests- are - taking - place- , - you - are -highly - likely- to - encounter- protesters.
 
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#948
luthervol said:
Your comprehension skills amount to the cube root of squat.
I'll slow it down for you.
If-you-travel- to- an- area- where- protests- are - taking - place- , - you - are -highly - likely- to - encounter- protesters.
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Agreed.

However, the other side of the coin, why is it then anyone driving should be approached, initiated by any protestor, who, are there to protest, not, approach or interact with other people going about their daily business......if the protestor's make it a point to do just that, then......

If both sides make it a point to not interact or interject themselves onto others, then, there are no problems, yet, seemingly those protestors out for a cause do just this by interjecting themselves onto other people when they have no right doing so......
 
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#949
tennvols77 said:
Agreed.

However, the other side of the coin, why is it then anyone driving should be approached, initiated by any protestor, who, are there to protest, not, approach or interact with other people going about their daily business......if the protestor's make it a point to do just that, then......

If both sides make it a point to not interact or interject themselves onto others, then, there are no problems, yet, seemingly those protestors out for a cause do just this by interjecting themselves onto other people when they have no right doing so......
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Agreed.
The protesters should leave innocent people just going about their daily business alone.
 
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#950
luthervol said:
Your comprehension skills amount to the cube root of squat.
I'll slow it down for you.
If-you-travel- to- an- area- where- protests- are - taking - place- , - you - are -highly - likely- to - encounter- protesters.
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Counter argument - if you stand in front of a moving vehicle in an attempt to barricade and harrass its occupants you may be run tf over

Also, can you share where all these "protests" are listed so people know what roads are for cars and what roads are for 2nd gen goth wannabes?
 
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