Andrew Yang's Universal Basic Income

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LouderVol said:
how did we survive the big shift in automation with farming, assembly lines, computers? at some point it does become an issue, but the downward spiral thing is a bit overplayed imo.
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Going from farm to early factory didn't take as much skill as many of the jobs of the future may require.
 
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VolStrom said:
The problem with this guy is that he thinks people that work in manual labor type jobs can just transition to a coding job or something similar. It doesn't work that way and some people are just dumb as rocks.
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That's exactly the opposite of what Yang says. He says they can't transition and that's why we need UBI
 
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Burger said:
Exactly. Workers had a lot more time to figure out how they would adapt.
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Bills didn't have to be paid back then?

There is a difference in having the time to adapt, and actually taking the time to adapt. Two completely separate items.
 
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utvolpj said:
Platooning is already being tested extensively around here and will kill lots of jobs.
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Plenty of tech people have been warning about worker displacement.

I wonder why we're not seeing more evidence of it right now (given the low unemployment rate). Is it because so many people left the workforce since the last recession?
 
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LouderVol said:
There is a difference in having the time to adapt, and actually taking the time to adapt. Two completely separate items.
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As far as time goes, the difference now would be the speed in which a new technology can change the market now, compared to how long it took 100 years ago.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Plenty of tech people have been warning about worker displacement.

I wonder why we're not seeing more evidence of it right now (given the low unemployment rate). Is it because so many people left the workforce since the last recession?
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I don't think we've had our cotton gin moment yet. I also have heard that so many are just in catch-up mode against the big boys that it's just not feasible to do right now.

Based on Yang's numbers if platooning allowed one driver to control 3 trucks that puts 2 million males average aged 49 with a HS education out of work. That makes an impact
 
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utvolpj said:
I don't think we've had our cotton gin moment yet. I also have heard that so many are just in catch-up mode against the big boys that it's just not feasible to do right now.

Based on Yang's numbers if platooning allowed one driver to control 3 trucks that puts 2 million males average aged 49 with a HS education out of work. That makes an impact
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Not necessarily. It would have an impact on truck driving jobs no doubt but that 1 driver isn't getting 3 trucks backed into 3 different docks at three different warehouses.
 
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hog88 said:
Not necessarily. It would have an impact on truck driving jobs no doubt but that 1 driver isn't getting 3 trucks backed into 3 different docks at three different warehouses.
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A couple of yard drivers is much cheaper.

Not to mention a truck that can be controlled on the highway can likely back itself in. That's already a thing for cars
 
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utvolpj said:
A couple of yard drivers is much cheaper.

Not to mention a truck that can be controlled on the highway can likely back itself in. That's already a thing for cars
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I can see the automated/platooned trucks for OTR operations ending at marshaling yards but from there the freight will be handled by city drivers. I've heard for decades that the RR was going to put OTR tucking out of business, still a buttload of trucks on the road.
 
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hog88 said:
I can see the automated/platooned trucks for OTR operations ending at marshaling yards but from there the freight will be handled by city drivers. I've heard for decades that the RR was going to put OTR tucking out of business, still a buttload of trucks on the road.
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Several of our facilities are drop and hook which could serve that purpose. I'm not on the trans side of my company but I know they've been looking at many options like we are on the whse side. Publix is also driving a bunch of the innovation
 
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utvolpj said:
Several of our facilities are drop and hook which could serve that purpose. I'm not on the trans side of my company but I know they've been looking at many options like we are on the whse side. Publix is also driving a bunch of the innovation
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I'm all for automation in the trucking industry, the HOS rules have made the driver shortage worse and the highways more dangerous. We're close to a tipping point now where transportation is going to drastically affect inflation.
 
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utvolpj said:
You have Walmart doing it more

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/09/business/walmart-robots-retail-jobs/index.html

And who knows what we'll get with the next gen of Amazon distribution. A huge cost is transportation and self driving trucks aren't too far away. Platooning is already being tested extensively around here and will kill lots of jobs.
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To me there are always at least two sides to an issue. Business as a productive and lucrative enterprise is certainly one. Another is no civilization can remain viable if the populace isn't educated, motivated, and employed. There has to be a balance. If we don't have a fully employed populace, then the next question perhaps becomes why do we need to educate people. And, of course, the real question is: if people aren't employed then what do they do in idleness (crime, drugs, etc?), and who pays for them to be idle. Sometimes I think you have to sacrifice efficiency to avoid worse consequences. Obviously the communists/socialists didn't find the answer; the question is whether capitalism will find a balance or simply find enough machines and "ingenuity" to keep people from employment.
 
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utvolpj said:
Amazon acquires autonomous warehouse robotics startup Canvas Technology



On track to make sure their next gen warehouse has no people
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Seems pretty obvious what they're trying to do.

Amazon founder and CEO Jeff Bezos is daring other retailers to match or exceed the ecommerce giant's minimum wage for workers, which it moved to hike last fall to $15 an hour.

Bezos called out his "top retail competitors (you know who you are!) to match our employee benefits and our $15 minimum wage." He added, "Better yet, go to $16 and throw the gauntlet back at us. It's a kind of competition that will benefit everyone."
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Jeff Bezos to retail rivals: "I challenge" you to match Amazon's $15 wage
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Bezos really is an evil overlord. He has the cash to deal with these short term wages hikes while building an army of robots behind the scenes. He’ll goad his competition into playing along and then hang them all when the robots roll out and he slashes payroll.
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They actually saved money with the wage increase. This wasn't a rushed decision
 
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