Andy Katz Bracketology Has Vols #1 Seed in West

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JoAllan said:
While “technically” it doesn’t matter right now……..it really does matter right now.

Is Tennessee going to be a 1 seed come March? Heck we don’t know.

However we do know teams currently around 1-10 have the best “chance” to gain a 1 seed. Teams outside the top 15 (currently) don’t have a good chance of gaining a 2 seed.

If you want to win the tournament……..you “want” to be a 1 seed, and at the least you “need” to be a 2 seed or 3 at the very least.

Over the past many years 4 teams have won the tournament who were lower than a 3 seed. 1 seeds have won 23 times 2 seeds 4 times and 3 seeds 3 times.

If your not good right now……..not ranked high right now……you probably don’t have much of a shot come March.
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Yes, it 'matters'. Being number one before we played and got smacked by Georgia is how we were close enough in the standings even after a loss for the South Carolina game to "matter" at the end of the season.

It is always some damned Debbie Downer out there ready to spout off about what doesn't matter...Nice rebuttal though..
 
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Sure would be nice to get that first ever 1-seed in program history, but I find it hard to believe the committee will give it to us even if our resume in March turns out to be deserving. I don’t think the committee values the SEC unless you are Kentucky. I can easily see a scenario where a slightly less deserving Big 12 team gets the nod because the Big 12 is seen as the best conference.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
Sure would be nice to get that first ever 1-seed in program history, but I find it hard to believe the committee will give it to us even if our resume in March turns out to be deserving. I don’t think the committee values the SEC unless you are Kentucky. I can easily see a scenario where a slightly less deserving Big 12 team gets the nod because the Big 12 is seen as the best conference.
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The fact that Joe Lunardi gave us the last 1 seed in his updated bracketology is very surprising to say the least. I thought for sure he would give it to UCLA, Arizona, or Kansas State before us.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
If we learned one thing last year, it’s that the SEC Tournament is meaningless for seeding. The committee doesn’t even watch it. Literally.
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I wouldn’t say that it is meaningless for seeding, but they need to have the championship end before the day of Selection Sunday. You can’t have a tournament end the same day they are placing the teams for the tournament. It creates too much chaos.
 
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Okay.
My pic says the Vols will lose a few more games and win several more.
 
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VolPack22 said:
I wouldn’t say that it is meaningless for seeding, but they need to have the championship end before the day of Selection Sunday. You can’t have a tournament end the same day they are placing the teams for the tournament.
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They can, and they do every year.
 
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Willy14 said:
The fact that Joe Lunardi gave us the last 1 seed in his updated bracketology is very surprising to say the least. I thought for sure he would give it to UCLA, Arizona, or Kansas State before us.
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Tennessee has #2 NET, UCLA #5, Arizona #11 & Kansas State #16…would be pretty hard to justify Arizona or Kansas State, UCLA maybe.
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
My formula for a #1 seed.....

1. Beat teams we SHOULD beat

2. Beat TX this weekend

3. Beat Bama at home

4. Split w/ Auburn

5. Beat UK on the road

6. Make the finals of the SEC tournament.


ALL of that is doable.
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I dont think Tennessee can beat KY at Rupp this season, beating the Vols at home turned that team around!
 
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I honestly don’t stress over what I can’t control. It’s just a lot easier for me in my situation. It really doesn’t matter now. Not today. Things will change daily.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Tennessee has #2 NET, UCLA #5, Arizona #11 & Kansas State #16…would be pretty hard to justify Arizona or Kansas State, UCLA maybe.
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Oh absolutely I agree 100%, I was mainly talking about how Joe Lunardi usually seems to have under ranked us in the past.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I typically start getting burned out as March approaches. But from the inconsistent and biased officiating. Their questionable calls are way too big of a variable in determining outcomes. Especially as to what is and isn’t a foul. And the random, out of nowhere, not been called all year rules suddenly being enforced at convenient times. Walking. 3-seconds. Technical fouls. Shooters kicking defenders as they get “fouled”. Charges in the paint (see Stokes in the S16 end of game). They often suddenly appear when helpful.

It sure seems like the teams that will bring ratings or story lines might be getting more than an equal share of favorable whistles. Thank goodness K and Roy are now gone. Fairly called games by competent, well trained refs would be a great change of direction.
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That would be nice.

But, as bad as I hate it. There is mounting testimony from ex mobsters online, about compromised collegiate players and refs in the NCAA. College basketball is one of organized crimes favorite sports due to the low number of players and the effect that can be made by only 1. The fact that collegians have little $$$ to begin with and get entrapped by being gambling debtors. Plus, the massive impact of a single official is tailor made for them.

It's apparently far more common than most imagine. Plus the pro and college authorities squelch this stuff as fast as possible when it happens. Heck, UT basketball itself had a point shaving scandal and players were kicked out in the late 60s. Of course you'll never find it in a game program.

Gambling influence does not help the school, the NCAA, the media broadcasters in their goals at all. Thus it is whitewashed like the truth is by Facebook.
 
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livefaith said:
That would be nice.

But, as bad as I hate it. There is mounting testimony from ex mobsters online, about compromised collegiate players and refs in the NCAA. College basketball is one of organized crimes favorite sports due to the low number of players and the effect that can be made by only 1. The fact that collegians have little $$$ to begin with and get entrapped by being gambling debtors. Plus, the massive impact of a single official is tailor made for them.

It's apparently far more common than most imagine. Plus the pro and college authorities squelch this stuff as fast as possible when it happens. Heck, UT basketball itself had a point shaving scandal and players were kicked out in the late 60s. Of course you'll never find it in a game program.

Gambling influence does not help the school, the NCAA, the media broadcasters in their goals at all. Thus it is whitewashed like the truth is by Facebook.
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I don’t remember a UT point shaving scandal in the late 1960s. The PG in the mid 60s turned out to be a crook, but that happened after basketball. Danny Shultz. The Lenoir City Chevrolet dealership owner.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don’t remember a UT point shaving scandal in the late 1960s. The PG in the mid 60s turned out to be a crook, but that happened after basketball. Danny Shultz. The Lenoir City Chevrolet dealership owner.
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That's what I mean. It gets scrubbed and hidden.
 
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livefaith said:
That's what I mean. It gets scrubbed and hidden.
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Then how can it be a “scandal”?

I’m calling bull s***.

Who was it? It wouldn’t be Shultz. Mears used his likeness at The Ray Mears Basketball School 10 years after he was on a roster. Mears wouldn’t have done that if DS had pulled something like that.

With investigative reporting, there’s zero chance that something like that wouldn’t have been exposed by now. People went to prison for point shaving,
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
My formula for a #1 seed.....

1. Beat teams we SHOULD beat

2. Beat TX this weekend

3. Beat Bama at home

4. Split w/ Auburn

5. Beat UK on the road

6. Make the finals of the SEC tournament.


ALL of that is doable.
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If we do the first 5, we'll be a 1 or 2 seed in the SECT opposite Bama, so we should be favored to make the final of the SECT. Be nice to turn Bridgestone orange.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
I don’t remember a UT point shaving scandal in the late 1960s. The PG in the mid 60s turned out to be a crook, but that happened after basketball. Danny Shultz. The Lenoir City Chevrolet dealership owner.
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If you have the Ben Byrd hardcover book that covered UT Basketball up until the time Ernie G. was a freshman, there was mention of a TN player being somehow involved in a nationwide scandal, but that predated Mears I'm almost positive. The player was never proven to have taken money, but he was booted and disgraced nonetheless. Mostly because he did not report being approached by the gambler from NY. Think it was when Emmitt Lowery was coach.

EDIT: it was 1950-51, the same scandal that the two KY players were charged in. Can't find mention of the TN player (he was not charged), but he was kicked out of school anyway.
 
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BigorangeBoy said:
If you have the Ben Byrd hardcover book that covered UT Basketball up until the time Ernie G. was a freshman, there was mention of a TN player being somehow involved in a nationwide scandal, but that predated Mears I'm almost positive. The player was never proven to have taken money, but he was booted and disgraced nonetheless. Mostly because he did not report being approached by the gambler from NY. Think it was when Emmitt Lowery was coach.

EDIT: it was 1950-51, the same scandal that the two KY players were charged in. Can't find mention of the TN player (he was not charged), but he was kicked out of school anyway.
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1950-51 wouldn’t be the late 1960s. I could see something like that happening at that time. When the head basketball coach was probably an assistant from the football team making an extra $4,000 per season to handle the chore of coaching basketball.
 
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