another clausen?

#26
#26
I was in the stands and a girl yelled "GOD CASEY!!!" when we had a bad play. I looked at her, and said 'you can't be serious. That had NOTHING to do with him. Are you even watching the game? I mean really...you can't be watching the same game as me, if you think that the o-line disentigrating has to do with our QB." She didn't hardly say anything the rest of the game.
 
#28
#28
He got sacked A TON. I dunno how he kept getting back up.

It's like people blame fulmer for Ainge getting hurt. How about we blame the center for the bad snap, the o-line for missing blocks, before just picking out our whipping boy right out.
 
#29
#29
It's just typical second guessing coming from people who never realize that football games are won and lost by teams, not individuals.
 
#30
#30
Originally posted by jwells@Jul 27, 2005 7:11 PM
He got sacked A TON. I dunno how he kept getting back up.

It's like people blame fulmer for Ainge getting hurt. How about we blame the center for the bad snap, the o-line for missing blocks, before just picking out our whipping boy right out.
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Those are the Sunday morning quarterbacks.
 
#31
#31
agreed. all this clausen bashing crap has to stop. i say bring on jimmy. not wanting him to come just becuz of his brothers????? come on. thats like having eli manning as a qb and not wanting peyton becuz one didn't win as much.
 
#32
#32
WELL all i can say is im glad to have the clausen family part of
tennessee football it helps signing day it helps tridition.
besides we could have been stuck with suggs for four years
besides payton never beat the gators. this is the SEC folks
dosn't matter who you have at qb it's going to be a dog fight
every week.the bottom line it all starts on the line of scrimmage
o-line and d-line. considering the o-line casy had for a few years
he did a dag gum good job. now rc will be a big part of this season
get used to it. he is a fifth year senior, poised , leader
and will not get you beat. and most of all a student of the game and
an underdog!!! i would feal very good with him behind the line
running the offence.
 
#34
#34
Hey everyone, don't get me wrong here. I was just posting a fictional interview a friend sent me. I didn't write it. I liked the Iceman The person who wrote it obviously did not. I still think the artlicle is funny.

10 wins is not mediocrity. I'll take it every year because that means we beat UF and UA.

I just stated the obvious. Casey ran like a duck, Peyton ran like a duck, and I'm damn good looking. :devilsmoke:

Casey did have a chance to play in the NC. That says a lot. We just couldn't figure out the Matt Mauck scramble.
 
#35
#35
I wonder if anybody thought that interview was real? :lol:

If you did, you're really gullible . . . but it's cool though. :D
 
#36
#36
I have great respect for Casey Clausen. Everyone bashes him for being a California boy, but that guy was one of the toughest QB's I've ever seen. He did get sacked a lot, but he got up every time. He did run like a duck, but he would turn the corner and give it every thing he had to try to get a first down or TD when he had to (see Alabama game '01, Notre Dame '01). He even threw the game winning TD to Witten in the '02 Arkansas OT game with a painful injury that he wouldn't even tell the coaches about, fearing that they would take him out of the game.

His toughness, aside, however, Clausen did not look like an SEC QB. He threw some of the ugliest and weakest passes I've ever seen a college QB throw. That's why he's not in the pros right now. He just doesn't have the arm strength or the accuracy to cut it in the NFL, which is why the Chiefs cut him.

Go back and watch some game footage of Casey as a Freshman. Then watch him his senior year. I don't think he improved one bit as a passer. His knowledge of the system and his awareness as a QB improved, but as far as his ability to hit open receivers on time with tight-spiraled, catchable balls, I don't think he improved since 2000.

I didn't always agree with Casey's comments off the field, but that's why I like Rick. Like Casey, Rick is also not as physically gifted as others, but he is intelligent. He's also team-oriented, and I think he's a good leader.

We need more of those qualities at UT, regardless of what your last name is or whether you're from California.

 
#37
#37
I have some news for all of the bashers out there....You have been spoiled by Peyton Manning. He could be one of the best to ever play pro football if he keeps it up, and very few college QB's are going to compare to him. Nothing seems good enough for some of you, and while I was not a fan of CC'd attitude, you cannot deny the stats and wins while he was here, and he put up the numbers with very little talent around him his last 2 years. If you need another Peyton to be happy with QB play, than you all have a long, miserable road ahead.
 
#38
#38
Originally posted by GenNeyland9@Jul 28, 2005 7:01 AM
His toughness, aside, however, Clausen did not look like an SEC QB.  He threw some of the ugliest and weakest passes I've ever seen a college QB throw.  That's why he's not in the pros right now.  He just doesn't have the arm strength or the accuracy to cut it in the NFL, which is why the Chiefs cut him.
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I just think that's the west coast style of quarterbacking... It's more timing based, where more of the SEC-style passing I've seen is just step back and rifle it. I guess that's how they're trained. Here, we're mored worried about positioning the ball, getting the speed and the timing just right. That generally means not too many bullets rather than just putting the ball in the right place at the right time and make it easy to catch.

Clausen, from what it seems, doesn't have quite the same skills as the other west coast-style QB's, but that takes away nothing from the heart he played with, which IMO is more important to have than even perfect pass touch.
 
#39
#39
Maybe, but lots of West Coast QB's also have freaking cannons for arms(Carson Palmer, Kyle Boller, Andrew Walter, hell, Erik Ainge). Those guys could also throw a tight spiral, which I personally attest is much easier to catch. I know it got there nonetheless a lot of times, but Casey just couldn't ever do that.
 
#40
#40
His toughness, aside, however, Clausen did not look like an SEC QB. He threw some of the ugliest and weakest passes I've ever seen a college QB throw. That's why he's not in the pros right now. He just doesn't have the arm strength or the accuracy to cut it in the NFL, which is why the Chiefs cut him.
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Obviously you never watched Rattay or Suggs or some other UT QB's that threw really ugly passes. Passing is not about beauty its about getting the ball from point A to point B safely, style points don't count. I'll take an ugly thrown completion any day over a beautifully thrown INT.

Tee Martin threw alot of Pretty passes 10 foot over everyones head
 
#41
#41
Watching Ainge play for two and a half years in HS, he has the best of both. He always had a great touch, we ran lots of complicated schemes and he always put the ball right where it needed to be. But at the same time, he could throw it so fast you'd actually see receivers not wanting to run pass skeletons with him because they didn't want to break their hands. IMO the only reason he didn't make Rivals 100 is because he played in Oregon. If he played in SoCal, Texas or Florida, he would have been top 30.

The other QB's you listed can all do both as well. The best of them around the country can do both... Just saying, it's more common here to see a quarterback with good touch on his throws, where in the south QB's that can rifle are probably more common.
 
#42
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Originally posted by Vol67@Jul 28, 2005 12:51 PM
Obviously you never watched Rattay or Suggs or some other UT QB's that threw really ugly passes. Passing is not about beauty its about getting the ball from point A to point B safely, style points don't count. I'll take an ugly thrown completion any day over a beautifully thrown INT.
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It's more than getting it from point A to point B... You have to get it there fast, safely and make it easy to grab for the receiver.
 
#43
#43
Not really its first and foremst about getting from point A to Point B safely, it's the WR's responsibility to catch it. The other things like speed, touch, timing, catchability only counts if the QB gets it there safely to begin with.
 
#45
#45
All good points fellas, but there are obviously 32 NFL GMs out there that didn't think Clausen had an NFL arm, and that's with regard to accuracy and velocity.

I don't care about style points. What I care about is having a QB that can hit open receivers on time with easily catchable passes. It looked like to me that Ainge as a freshman did that better than Casey ever did in 4 years at UT, even better than in 2001. Yes we had playmakers at WR this year, but Casey's four main targets his sophomore year (2001) are starters in the NFL right now (Stallworth, Washington, Witten, Eric Parker). If you go back and watch those games from 2001, the receivers did almost all the work.

I think this thread began as a Clausen bashing, but as I already stated, I loved Clausen's heart and toughness. All I'm saying is that he improved very little as a passer in his 4 years at UT. For a UT starting QB, he had a weak arm, and he threw a lot of passes that were much harder to catch than they should have been.

I think that's why so many UT fans gave him a hard time, and also why some fans are still starting threads like this one. If Jimmy has 1/2 of Casey's toughness, and better physical abilities (which I think he has), then we can only hope he wants to come play for the Vols.
 
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