Another disappointing loss

#26
#26
Less embarrassing if knocked out of the dance as an 8 seed losing to a 9. Maybe that 's the strategy. Nova did win it in 85 as an 8 though. Always a chance.
 
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#29
bleedingTNorange said:
8 seed? Lol. Ok.
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Where are we now? About a 4. When we were predicting the last 7 games I said worst case 4-3 with an upset of Bama or Ky. guess we can still get there. Definitely playing our way down the ladder though.
 
#30
#30
We went into one of the arguably hardest places to play in the SEC and played them to the wire ( WITHOUT 40% OF OUR STARTERS - I KNOW I AM YELLING - FOR THOSE IN THE BACK).
We lost two games on improbable last second shots and lost two games WITHOUT 40% OF OUR STARTERS - maybe we need to take a step back and see what the rest of the year holds before we crucify this team and coach.
 
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#31
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calban said:
Where are we now? About a 4. When we were predicting the last 7 games I said worst case 4-3 with an upset of Bama or Ky. guess we can still get there. Definitely playing our way down the ladder though.
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3/4 seed, not really any chance of dropping to a 8.
 
#32
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calban said:
Where are we now? About a 4. When we were predicting the last 7 games I said worst case 4-3 with an upset of Bama or Ky. guess we can still get there. Definitely playing our way down the ladder though.
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Being an 8 seed is a tad extreme, though. At worst if they lose a couple more,they'll be around a 5 seed. Definitely can't afford to lose many more though.
 
#33
#33
I think teams have learned how to beat us ( playing tough defense in the paint) and forcing us to shoot outside when we don't have very consistent shooters. If we can dunk and lay ups we stay in the game. When we have to hit perimeter shots we get behind. Also, when a team is very aggressive on defense like the Vols, there is always the risk in any given game that the refs are going to call touch fouls when other games they let them play. They played hard against AM, but just got behind and they don't have great talent that can make it up
 
#34
#34
10 and 11 loss teams were seeded anywhere from 5 to 9 last season, so 8 isn't impossible. Where they finish in the SEC and how they play the last 3 will determine their ultimate fate.
 
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calban said:
10 and 11 loss teams were seeded anywhere from 5 to 9 last season, so 8 isn't impossible. Where they finish in the SEC and how they play the last 3 will determine their ultimate fate.
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Huge difference in seeding this year…Michigan State & Rutgers are both 8 seeds on matrix as of today and both already have 10 losses.
 
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screenthis said:
If we can get JJJ and Phillips healthy soon, I believe we can make a run. Many of those losses were on the road against fairly good teams. Funny looking back, after the win over Texas, I thought this team had figured something out. Offense was consistent and Olivier was looking like the man down low. Gotta get it turned around though in the next few games as time is literally running out.
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According to JEFF SAGARIN RATINGS through Feb 21st games:

@FL Loss 67-54 -- FL Rank #50
@VY Loss 66-65 -- Vandy Rank #76
MO Loss 86-85 -- MO Rank #61
@KY Loss 66-54 -- KY Rank #31
@A&M Loss 68-63 -- A&M Rank #21

Remaining games:
2/25 SC -- SC Rank #172
2/28 AR -- AR Rank #15
3/4 @AU -- AU Rank #19

KY & A&M losses are tolerable but FL, VY & MO are not good. We can't lose to SC and need to at least split with AR & AU.

JJJ averages 9.8 pts/gm and shoots 30.1% 3-pts. His defense & passing can make a difference but his offense is not game altering in my opinion.
Phillips averages 9.0 pts/gm and shoots 27.0% 3-pts. His rebounding & drives to the rim can make a difference but there are too many games where he doesn't show up offensively.

Overall, the team is just too inconsistent offensively to make any real impact in the tournament. Dreaming of offensive cohesiveness & efficiency from this team is probably too big of a leap. Our only hope is we get favorable opponents that minimize our weaknesses (e.g., avoid productive 4/5s, long/athletic 1/2s).
 
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utVolFanInVA said:
According to JEFF SAGARIN RATINGS through Feb 21st games:

@FL Loss 67-54 -- FL Rank #50
@VY Loss 66-65 -- Vandy Rank #76
MO Loss 86-85 -- MO Rank #61
@KY Loss 66-54 -- KY Rank #31
@A&M Loss 68-63 -- A&M Rank #21

Remaining games:
2/25 SC -- SC Rank #172
2/28 AR -- AR Rank #15
3/4 @AU -- AU Rank #19

KY & A&M losses are tolerable but FL, VY & MO are not good. We can't lose to SC and need to at least split with AR & AU.

JJJ averages 9.8 pts/gm and shoots 30.1% 3-pts. His defense & passing can make a difference but his offense is not game altering in my opinion.
Phillips averages 9.0 pts/gm and shoots 27.0% 3-pts. His rebounding & drives to the rim can make a difference but there are too many games where he doesn't show up offensively.

Overall, the team is just too inconsistent offensively to make any real impact in the tournament. Dreaming of offensive cohesiveness & efficiency from this team is probably too big of a leap. Our only hope is we get favorable opponents that minimize our weaknesses (e.g., avoid productive 4/5s, long/athletic 1/2s).
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#38
At least you gave the facts. They are too inconsistent. I wish when I give the as I did today they could have been accepted. I appreciate you reply. Did you read my thread? If so tell me where I was wrong. Thanks
Go Vols!!
 
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calban said:
Less embarrassing if knocked out of the dance as an 8 seed losing to a 9. Maybe that 's the strategy. Nova did win it in 85 as an 8 though. Always a chance.
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Hoping I'm wrong, but I have no confidence this team is capable of winning 6 games in a row in the post season.
 
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SlyStone said:
Hoping I'm wrong, but I have no confidence this team is capable of winning 6 games in a row in the post season.
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I don't either, but if they can put 3 together I would rather it was in the Show than the SEC T which we learned last year means nothing to the committee.
 
#43
#43
Tn doesn't have anybody who can make a basket 10 feet from the basket, I've seen many players miss wide open shots 10 ft and less and even shot air balls that close to the basket with no one in their face, Why don't Barns focus more on offense instead of defense. best defense in the country don't win games if you can't score as they are proving it now.
 
#44
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utVolFanInVA said:
According to JEFF SAGARIN RATINGS through Feb 21st games:

@FL Loss 67-54 -- FL Rank #50
@VY Loss 66-65 -- Vandy Rank #76
MO Loss 86-85 -- MO Rank #61
@KY Loss 66-54 -- KY Rank #31
@A&M Loss 68-63 -- A&M Rank #21

Remaining games:
2/25 SC -- SC Rank #172
2/28 AR -- AR Rank #15
3/4 @AU -- AU Rank #19

KY & A&M losses are tolerable but FL, VY & MO are not good. We can't lose to SC and need to at least split with AR & AU.

JJJ averages 9.8 pts/gm and shoots 30.1% 3-pts. His defense & passing can make a difference but his offense is not game altering in my opinion.
Phillips averages 9.0 pts/gm and shoots 27.0% 3-pts. His rebounding & drives to the rim can make a difference but there are too many games where he doesn't show up offensively.

Overall, the team is just too inconsistent offensively to make any real impact in the tournament. Dreaming of offensive cohesiveness & efficiency from this team is probably too big of a leap. Our only hope is we get favorable opponents that minimize our weaknesses (e.g., avoid productive 4/5s, long/athletic 1/2s).
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Personally, for me, the Vandy loss was not unexpected. They've played a lot of teams tough as they played us in Knoxville. The Missouri loss is the worst of those to me. If JJJ gets time, he definitely can be the steadying force this team needs. Then, the hope was Phillips would improve over time. Getting injured didn't help with that. Agreed that consistency on offense is their Achilles heal. That's been the case with Barn's teams for some time. Not sure why.
 
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#47
BGKYVol said:
It appears as if some UT fans are not happy unless the team(s) do poorly so they can come on to Volnation to complain and paint the darkest picture that they can. Losing on the road to a very good team without two starters is not unexpected. And having a chance to win in that situation is admirable.
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It is human nature to post more to complain versus praise. You are 75% more likely to post a negative post.
 
#48
#48
This team is 2 starters down last 3 games and beat Bama lost by Kentucky because of a pitiful 1st half and played neck to neck with a good team on the road in Texas A&M so for you complainers just chill. Will we win NCAA tournament probably not but there will be 67 more pissed off fan bases cause only 1 team wins enjoy Barnes why we have him who knows what kind of bs coach will be next
 
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