Another Houston Nutt rule needed?

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Houston Nutt, always the innovator

Ole Miss had 15 open spots on its roster going into 2011. On signing day the Rebels announced a freshman class of 27 newly signed players.

A quick check of the math shows that the Rebels added twelve more players than the team had spots for, and now suddenly a bunch of players are moving on. It's funny how that works, isn't it?
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Plenty of players leaving Ole Miss - CBSSports.com
 
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he did this last year too...

My friend is an Ole Missy fan and it's funny to hear him try to defend this.
 
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Gerald Jones must've told those guys Ole Miss was a bad place to go to school. That or Nutt has no problems telling a scholarship player he isn't renewing their scholarship because he went and recruited a new guy better than him.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Gerald Jones must've told those guys Ole Miss was a bad place to go to school. That or Nutt has no problems telling a scholarship player he isn't renewing their scholarship because he went and recruited a new guy better than him.
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I think it's the latter. It's unfortunate for the players being told to look elsewhere. But maybe they should work harder.
 
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Hope this loser doesn't hamstring the SEC recruiting limits further with his jackassery.
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CardassianVol said:
Yeah. It was their fault. Sure.
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It depends on what Nutt told them. Plenty of coaches, especially in basketball, will tell a guy straight up that he's year to year and if a better player is available the scholarship is subject to getting pulled. Some kids are willing to take that risk for the oppotunity to play in a major conference.
 
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hatvol96 said:
It depends on what Nutt told them. Plenty of coaches, especially in basketball, will tell a guy straight up that he's year to year and if a better player is available the scholarship is subject to getting pulled. Some kids are willing to take that risk for the oppotunity to play in a major conference.
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If everything is all up front there's no problem. But with Nutt I'm skeptical that's the case, as you alluded to.
 
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All Nutt can do is be honest with the kids. Apparently he told them that they wont see any playing time at OM so most decided to transfer to schools like Georgia Southern. TN had more than one player move on the Chattanooga after they told them the same thing.
 
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vols-1 said:
All Nutt can do is be honest with the kids. Apparently he told them that they wont see any playing time at OM so most decided to transfer to schools like Georgia Southern. TN had more than one player move on the Chattanooga after they told them the same thing.
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Well, telling them they probably won't see much playing time is one thing and taking their scholarships away is something else.
 
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Cherry picking the best guys and sending the rest packing. It's the new thing until the NCAA shuts down the party and they will. Alabama doesn't even release the number of players they have on scholarship, wonder why.
 
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Cartervol said:
Cherry picking the best guys and sending the rest packing. It's the new thing until the NCAA shuts down the party and they will. Alabama doesn't even release the number of players they have on scholarship, wonder why.
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1. The NCAA isn't going to shut it down. It's perfectly legal under the rules its membership promulgated. Big time football schools aren't going to change this. It's been going on forever.
2. The only people Alabama has to release their scholarship numbers to are the 'AA enforcement staff. Why in the world would they give anyone else those numbers?
 
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hatvol96 said:
1. The NCAA isn't going to shut it down. It's perfectly legal under the rules its membership promulgated. Big time football schools aren't going to change this. It's been going on forever.
2. The only people Alabama has to release their scholarship numbers to are the 'AA enforcement staff. Why in the world would they give anyone else those numbers?
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It's getting a lot of attention lately i wouldn't say they won't eventually do something. Over signing by 12 on Houston Nutt's case though. I don't know maybe he can't count.
 
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hatvol96 said:
1. The NCAA isn't going to shut it down. It's perfectly legal under the rules its membership promulgated. Big time football schools aren't going to change this. It's been going on forever.
2. The only people Alabama has to release their scholarship numbers to are the 'AA enforcement staff. Why in the world would they give anyone else those numbers?
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1. SEC schools are the worst about this as a conference. Implying all big time schools need to do this to stay competitive is wrong. For example, the Big 10 (or whatever it is now) sets rules up to keep this oversigning crap from happing...OSU doesn't do this, and they stay consistently competitive on a national level.

2. Bama is the only team in the SEC that doesn't publicly release scholarship information. Either Bama is the only smart team in the conference, or they have something to hide. I'm betting on the latter. Saban probably doesn't know how many players he is going to greyshirt, medical scholarship, or cut until Fall practice actually starts.

I'm largely against oversigning from an ethical standpoint. These coaches are paid millions of dollars a year...being able to accurately spot talent should be a job requirement, and mistakes shouldn't be put on a 18 year old kid who was told all through HS how great he was only to be replaced by the next HS star the coach has decided to roll the dice on.

However, if it isn't against the rules, Dooley should start doing it to keep up if it is truly needed to stay competitive.
 
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rjd970 said:
1. SEC schools are the worst about this as a conference. Implying all big time schools need to do this to stay competitive is wrong. For example, the Big 10 (or whatever it is now) sets rules up to keep this oversigning crap from happing...OSU doesn't do this, and they stay consistently competitive on a national level.

2. Bama is the only team in the SEC that doesn't publicly release scholarship information. Either Bama is the only smart team in the conference, or they have something to hide. I'm betting on the latter. Saban probably doesn't know how many players he is going to greyshirt, medical scholarship, or cut until Fall practice actually starts.

I'm largely against oversigning from an ethical standpoint. These coaches are paid millions of dollars a year...being able to accurately spot talent should be a job requirement, and mistakes shouldn't be put on a 18 year old kid who was told all through HS how great he was only to be replaced by the next HS star the coach has decided to roll the dice on.

However, if it isn't against the rules, Dooley should start doing it to keep up if it is truly needed to stay competitive.
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Only exception i see is if a kid is dogging it through practice and school. They shouldn't lose a scholarship just because the next guy in line is that much more talented than him. Pay them if it's going to that.
 
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I've had lengthy debates about this on here. If the kid broke the rules, misses practice, doesn't make the grades...then he made his own bed. If we start cutting based on ability alone, they need to start paying these players what they are worth.
 
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rjd970 said:
I've had lengthy debates about this on here. If the kid broke the rules, misses practice, doesn't make the grades...then he made his own bed. If we start cutting based on ability alone, they need to start paying these players what they are worth.
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That's my take on it. There has to be a separation between College and Pro or these kids shouldn't have to wait 3 years removed from high school to get paid.
 
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The point is if the player out of high school is good enough for a scholly it seems disingenuous to take it from him if a freshman is considered to be a better player. What if the new guy sucks? The whole idea of having only a one year scholarship is pathetic. Everybody has to live with their mistakes except college coaches.
 
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rjd970 said:
I've had lengthy debates about this on here. If the kid broke the rules, misses practice, doesn't make the grades...then he made his own bed. If we start cutting based on ability alone, they need to start paying these players what they are worth.
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I agree with your point but I aslo can see it from the coaches standpoint. Better players equal wins and job security.

My big gripe is that when someone has their scholorship taken they still have to sit out a year unless they go down a level. They should be able to go anywhere that will take them without penalty.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
The point is if the player out of high school is good enough for a scholly it seems disingenuous to take it from him if a freshman is considered to be a better player. What if the new guy sucks? The whole idea of having only a one year scholarship is pathetic. Everybody has to live with their mistakes except college coaches.
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Agree. Many don't believe this, but a lot of these kids see football as a way of getting their degree as opposed to just a path to the NFL. So if a kid gets recruited to a big name D1 school and then gets recruited over after his Sophomore year he's left with a choice of bad options. He could transfer, pay his way for a year and then get back on scholarship to complete his last year of eligibility/school but he'll most likely fall behind schedule as he could lose credit hours etc. His other choice is to stay at the school and pay his own way until graduation, which is fine unless he is from out of the state, too far from home, or not in the right major . . .

I think there should be a rule that you can only lose your scholarship for disciplinary reasons. You get hurt, you stay, so if the coach wants to bring in a 5* to trump your 3* talent, he has to eat the scholarship.
 
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The only way I think a player should be cut is if the player is told of the possibility by the coah before he enrolls.
 
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