Another look at Butch Jones' introduction

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I think the term everyone is looking for is ineffective style offense.

We are a year into this and no one can really nail down an identity for this offense.
 
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tri_vol said:
San Fran and Washington all run a version of this. They had to run it more than they wanted because of the qbs & wrs inability to get the passing game in track. Look for us to run an offense similar to Denver, New England & Green Bay in the future.
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Butch better upgrade the QB situation significantly this off season if he intends to run anything remotely like Denver, GB, or NE.

Manning, Rodgers, and Brady are constantly making checks at the line.
 
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Roustabout said:
If they beat UGA and Vandy you have a completely different season, pro-style or not. Facts are, Butch didnt.

Sorry but 5-7, losing to Candy is crap. A big stinking pile of it.
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And both the GA and the Vandy games were lost in the closing seconds (GA in overtime over a fumble from effort).

A lot of fans in here want to complain about wins and losses from this coach, but they aren't at practice, they aren't on the recruiting trail, they aren't in the war room, they aren't watching film breaking down other teams, etc. There's no way you can say if Butch is an effective coach by watching the games on tv alone.

There is more context behind the wins/losses stat. Just look at Ohio State being called the number two team in the nation because they won this year.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
Butch better upgrade the QB situation significantly this off season if he intends to run anything remotely like Denver, GB, or NE.

Manning, Rodgers, and Brady are constantly making checks at the line.
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The formations and plays will be similar. Only a few senior qbs in college have the freedom to make checks like Manning Rodgers and Brady do. Even then it's very limited.
 
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I think our offense is weak and predictable. The passing routes look high school. We can't even run a successful screen. I'm very worried about our football team's future. Look at Auburn...they run the ball well but their passing routes are awesome and seem to get guys wide open all the time.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
I think our offense is weak and predictable. The passing routes look high school. We can't even run a successful screen. I'm very worried about our football team's future. Look at Auburn...they run the ball well but their passing routes are awesome and seem to get guys wide open all the time.
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Their QB is highly "football" intelligent and fearless. Their RB's hit the corner at 100mph. Their receivers block like crazy and run good routes. Auburn has everything clicking. We are nowhere near their skill level in talent. Just wait. We will be back.
 
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dooley2 said:
What team runs a zone read every play in a no huddle offense?
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the zone read does not make it a pro offense or not a pro offense , The Zone read is basically a RB dive play giving the QB an option to change it to a QB run off tackle. The RB dive play is a standard play college or pro

The passing attack that Jones runs ( although due to our receivers and QB shortcomings it was scaled back ) is based in the 4 verticals philosophy. It is a modified west coast system and is read at levels . There are always different route levels

The running game is basically a power game from the shotgun . Instead of a fullback , the TE is used or an H back type . Receivers in motion also provide blocking . The blocking scheme is zone heavy . There is an excellent example of a running play on the cover page of volnation that is broken down in the article with labeled pictures.

The zone read in a small facet of the running game , designed to force a team to cover the E gap ..stressing the LBs and or the safety. It is a very small facet of the running game .

This offense is prostyle all the way
 
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Flipdaddy said:
I think our offense is weak and predictable. The passing routes look high school. We can't even run a successful screen. I'm very worried about our football team's future. Look at Auburn...they run the ball well but their passing routes are awesome and seem to get guys wide open all the time.
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Your football knowledge is limited. Skip the next couple of seasons and come back later.
 
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You may be right. I've never coached football. So your excited about what you saw this year schematically? Don't give me this dumbed down offense excuse. You can't convince me that they couldn't have ran more the 5 plays all year.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
You may be right. I've never coached football. So your excited about what you saw this year schematically? Don't give me this dumbed down offense excuse. You can't convince me that they couldn't have ran more the 5 plays all year.
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Worley was not really that good early in the season . He could not execute much in the way of the passing game . He seemed to step up to another level against UG and USCe ..and then he was hurt. Dobbs , while he has fine upside , was inconsistent at best .

The offense was dumbed down . It is a leveled progression west coast type of system . A ) none of our QBs were at the level needed to execute it B ) our receiving corps were incapable of executing it ( considering our star was a freshman , a guy that was a TE , a couple of walkons , and two guys that were running backs last year ) C ) we did not have a threatening TE ..which is required in this offense.

Our passing short coming put alot of pressure on our run gaps .

Of coarse it was dumbed down ...It will be opened up when we get a QB developed enough to execute.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
You may be right. I've never coached football. So your excited about what you saw this year schematically? Don't give me this dumbed down offense excuse. You can't convince me that they couldn't have ran more the 5 plays all year.
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Watch a Cincinatti game from last year.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
You may be right. I've never coached football. So your excited about what you saw this year schematically? Don't give me this dumbed down offense excuse. You can't convince me that they couldn't have ran more the 5 plays all year.
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No I wasn't excited but I realized what they were working with. We could barely run those 5 plays so what good is it call additional plays when the team can barely complete the basics. They could have went outside their system for plays but that probably wasn't winning any more games because of the schedule and it would just be something Ernst that they need to reteach next year. As painful as it was Butch was laying a foundation for next year. If we are still running the same five plays in year 2-3 then there is a serious issue and Butch needs to start looking for a job. But as stated earlier go watch Cincy last couple of years. The playcalling is fairly aggressive and that is what we should see in the future.
 
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tri_vol said:
No I wasn't excited but I realized what they were working with. We could barely run those 5 plays so what good is it call additional plays when the team can barely complete the basics. They could have went outside their system for plays but that probably wasn't winning any more games because of the schedule and it would just be something Ernst that they need to reteach next year. As painful as it was Butch was laying a foundation for next year. If we are still running the same five plays in year 2-3 then there is a serious issue and Butch needs to start looking for a job. But as stated earlier go watch Cincy last couple of years. The playcalling is fairly aggressive and that is what we should see in the future.
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I hope your right. I guess years of losing has made me not look at the big picture anymore. It's just hard to believe these guys couldn't have made the little short crossing type throws quick outs etc...My goodness these guys are at Tennessee! Freshman should have some talent. Dobbs just doesn't look good throwing the football. I know he can run but hell...he only ran like 5 times.
 
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Flipdaddy said:
I hope your right. I guess years of losing has made me not look at the big picture anymore. It's just hard to believe these guys couldn't have made the little short crossing type throws quick outs etc...My goodness these guys are at Tennessee! Freshman should have some talent. Dobbs just doesn't look good throwing the football. I know he can run but hell...he only ran like 5 times.
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Understand what you're saying. I partially agree on Dobbs. His problem is he decides where and when he is throwing when the huddle breaks. That problem can be fixed but I'm not sold on him being the long term solution. Coaches must have a lot of faith in Ferguson.
 
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Jeez. Dooley had Bray, Patterson, Hunter, & Rivera. Had CBJ had that to work with on offense totally different year. Give him a chance to get some guys in here and the defense overall was better this year IMO.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Not to nitpick dooley2 but a lot of us were decidedly not excited then and 5-7 didn't do much to change that. If they can win 7 or 8 next year and sustain the recruiting momentum with a 2015 class as good as the 2014 class then I might get off the fence.
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You may have to ride Trigger for longer than what you are asking for, however, I hope what you are saying is doable and you can dismount!
 
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