Any opinion changes on Mizzou?

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I think they're a much better team than our fans want to give them credit for.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I think Mizzou will maintain being solid. Mauck looked pretty solid, and better than our QBs. ...into TX to recruit heavily. There r 2-3stars here that would be 4-5stars in other states.
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I often agree with you but this is not true. Texas players get massive exposure. They are MORE likely to be highly and/or accurately ranked than players from other states. it could be accurately said that Mizzou has recruited smaller schools in Texas well and found some gems.

Mauk may have "looked" better than UT's QB's but the fact is he was playing with DGB, Sasser, and a couple of really solid Srs who covered many mistakes for him. I am sure his personal play will improve but he won't have the weapons around him. His completion % wasn't dazzling last year.

He's a gamer. That works when you have playmakers... without them... not so much.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Hunter injury can't be used here imo. This would be closer to losing DR during '12 fall camp. Could also be closer to losing Janzen Jackson in '11 fall camp. Pinkel will have the ability to get ready with plenty of time thinking he won't be available. Different then losing a top player during fall camp (2 yrs straight), and totally different than losing a top player during the first play of the 3rd game of the season...after losing a top player during fall camp.

Just my take that's all...

I think Mizzou will maintain being solid. Mauck looked pretty solid, and better than our QBs. Pinkel and mizzou r stable at the moment, and he's going into TX to recruit heavily. There r 2-3stars here that would be 4-5stars in other states.
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sjt18 said:
I often agree with you but this is not true. Texas players get massive exposure. They are MORE likely to be highly and/or accurately ranked than players from other states. it could be accurately said that Mizzou has recruited smaller schools in Texas well and found some gems.

Mauk may have "looked" better than UT's QB's but the fact is he was playing with DGB, Sasser, and a couple of really solid Srs who covered many mistakes for him. I am sure his personal play will improve but he won't have the weapons around him. His completion % wasn't dazzling last year.

He's a gamer. That works when you have playmakers... without them... not so much.
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Missouri is trying to moving more towards recruiting GA and FL now anyways, aren't they? Especially since this will be the last time they're going to be playing a Texas team for who knows how long in the new conference rotation.
 
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TrueOrange said:
Missouri is trying to moving more towards recruiting GA and FL now anyways, aren't they? Especially since this will be the last time they're going to be playing a Texas team for who knows how long in the new conference rotation.
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Good chance that is correct but Pinkel has made some ties down there so it won't end altogether.
 
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sjt18 said:
Good chance that is correct but Pinkel has made some ties down there so it won't end altogether.
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No, I didn't think they'd be giving up on it. I just remembered seeing they wanted to put more of an emphasis on this two states.

I presumed the reason to partially be along the lines of it being more difficult to keep selling Texas kids on the same lines they previously had been, since the school would no longer be playing games regularly in those recruits' home state (let alone, playing a Texas team save for, is it twice in 12 years?)
 
#39
#39
I actually still look at Mizzou as a threat. I'm not sure if it's because of the bowl game I went to back in (06?) when they came back to beat USCe after being down by 21, or the 4 OT's I sat through in Neyland with my buddy, who is a Mizzou fan.

I look at the 2014 schedule and personally, I see 5 losses. Okla, UGA, Alabama, USCe, and Mizzou. And even USCe could be a W, seeing how they lose Clowney, Shaw, etc..

We're familiar with the other SEC teams and pretty much know our odds of winning against those foes. Mizzou, however, has gotten the best of us while we're down.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Funny part is you cannot prove your statement. They could become the doormats of the East.
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It's also, though, a bit much to say they're definitely going to fall to perennial 2 or 3 win teams that just stop caring about football and program success.

They've generally, under this coach, been a school that alternates around 7-8 wins with a some spikes up to double digits win seasons and a once few spike down below that to 5 or so.


I said earlier: they seem to be more of one of those close but never break through programs (having good years but even in their best that program just can't take/make that next step), and I've seen quite a number compare them to Ole Miss; having similar ups and downs but being stuck beneath that bar.
 
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TrueOrange said:
It's also, though, a bit much to say they're definitely going to fall to perennial 2 or 3 win teams that just stop caring about football and program success.

They've generally, under this coach, been a school that alternates around 7-8 wins with a some spikes up to double digits win seasons and a once few spike down below that to 5 or so.


I said earlier: they seem to be more of one of those close but never break through programs (having good years but even in their best that program just can't take/make that next step), and I've seen quite a number compare them to Ole Miss; having similar ups and downs but being stuck beneath that bar.
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Totally agree. I do not think they will totally implode, it's possible but not probable. I think they will still be a strong team, just not as strong as last year. Losing DGB will be huge though.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Totally agree. I do not think they will totally implode, it's possible but not probable. I think they will still be a strong team, just not as strong as last year. Losing DGB will be huge though.
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along with the other two WRS that caught 50+ balls for over 800 yards each.
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
I'm still not sold on Mizzou. They had a great season but I think they, like Vandy (albeit a much better program than Vandy) took advantage of a very down SEC East.

This may be the homer in me talking, but I think if we'd had a QB on the field who could throw the ball, our game against them would have been a good one. Mizzou's weakest point in their D was their secondary, and Dobbs made the worst of secondaries look much better than they actually were.
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It definitely is. I don't deny a good QB performance would have helped, but they won 31-3.
 
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BookVol said:
They were great last year, but you really think they aren't going to come back to earth after losing so many starters?
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They'll come back down to earth for sure, but that doesn't mean they'll go 3-9. I seriously doubt they'll win the East, but I didn't think they would last season either.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It definitely is. I don't deny a good QB performance would have helped, but they won 31-3.
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And they took their foot off the gas in the 3rd quarter, didn't they?

Edit: Yeah, they were up 31-3 with 8 minutes left in the third quarter; pretty much just did running plays for the rest of the game (only threw one pass from there on out).
 
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sjt18 said:
I often agree with you but this is not true. Texas players get massive exposure. They are MORE likely to be highly and/or accurately ranked than players from other states. it could be accurately said that Mizzou has recruited smaller schools in Texas well and found some gems.

Mauk may have "looked" better than UT's QB's but the fact is he was playing with DGB, Sasser, and a couple of really solid Srs who covered many mistakes for him. I am sure his personal play will improve but he won't have the weapons around him. His completion % wasn't dazzling last year.

He's a gamer. That works when you have playmakers... without them... not so much.
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I see ur pt on the TX recruits and in a sense the gems r what I'm talking about. I think to be able to spread it around the country not as many TX kids get rated as high as they could be(same for other big states too)...which are the "gems" in smaller areas we are talking about, and even the ones that r overshadowed by the big dogs on the team. TX has three separate ATL size recruiting pools in it, so being able to find them does takes time and patience, but there are plenty so with the investment. Pinkel has been able to do it for sure. I do agree TX does get plenty of attention, and isn't overlooked. Many do get through the cracks or lower rated. Out of all the availability a school like Mizzou just needs to find 10 or so a year of those gems. Which is easy to do for him now with the relationships he has built and the respect he has built with coaches and players who went there. I also think these gems tend to work out so well because they weren't the prettiest girl at the dance, and they don't have the "NFL vision". They r going to school playing ball, and if it turns out they get a chance to go to the NFL they'll appreciate the opportunity. Not expect it cause they were told all their lives they will. This players aren't "saving themselves from injury" during plays their Sr yrs.

Sorry didn't realize how much they lost at WR if they lose dgb, but again the ability to prepare through the spring and summer is a lot of time to adjust properly. If Pinkel does and still pulls off a 9+ season he should be commended for it. I'd rather be preparing and going in with a gamer at QB with playing experience instead of the reverse....DGB and a QB wet behind the ears. This is time for other players to step up, and not get overshadowed by a star player like DGB that's going to get most of the attention out on the field. Now imo, just like us in '11, mizzou's season is holding on a thread that is Mauck. He goes down then the house could be bet on them having a bad season. But at this pt I would take mizzou's situation over ours. Obviously once the season starts that can change, but for me it won't. Our game vs them is way to far into the season to not consider gain in team chemistry/experience or major injuries for either team. Who knows what is going to happen up to that pt.

If '11s Hunter injury taught me anything is that I'm taking things game by game, and not taking the "We are Tennessee" route. Hopefully one offseason soon I can not go into a season feeling that way, but not doing it anytime soon.
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TrueOrange said:
No, I didn't think they'd be giving up on it. I just remembered seeing they wanted to put more of an emphasis on this two states.

I presumed the reason to partially be along the lines of it being more difficult to keep selling Texas kids on the same lines they previously had been, since the school would no longer be playing games regularly in those recruits' home state (let alone, playing a Texas team save for, is it twice in 12 years?)
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I'm thinking the central, SE, West TX areas would be more difficult for them to convince kids now. But the NTX area is a one day drive to Columbia. That's an ATL size pool to go into. They are well positioned to fight for the scrapes with the likes of OSU, TXTech, Arkansas and some others, that OU and TX leave. I've always felt that the central and SE TX (Houston) areas r more Aggie vs UTX regions. So why I didn't mention them above. With LSU being the OU of that area.

I would think it would be easier to get a kid in the NTX region to go to Columbia than a kid from UGA or FL. Especially when saying u r going to play in the SEC. If I were a parent or kid I would see the oppurtuity to travel throughout the SEC as a wonderful opportunity. One of a lifetime...Army marketing style. Big 12 schools can't offer that level of travel diversity like the SEC can. Anyway, it would be easier to leave on Friday and then leave on Saturday for the family to see a game and also for a kid to come home to visit. Just my thoughts throwing it out there.

Mizzou's biggest SEC competitor in the NTX area is imo is Arkansas...especially in the far NETX area (Texarkana). With that said like we all have agreed with is that Pinkels connections here are super strong with a long positive history. So I would say he has an up on Biellama (s?) atm.

Disclaimer: All just imho...some things I've thrown in to be discussed to help formulate my opinion too.
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