Any thoughts on Rosie's comments RE: "radical" Christianity?

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volinbham

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Given the "reaction" to the Pope's comments, just wondering what the VN thinks about Rosie O'Donnel's comments.

Evidently one View member was talking about the dangers of radical Islam and Rosie chimed in that radical Christianity was just as dangerous :blink:

What a whacko.

Why they're even having members of the View discuss this is another matter entirely...
 
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I would have to agree with her.

Extremist Muslims have resorted to violence because it is their only medium of power, in their perception.

Extremist Christians resorted to violence during the Clinton Admin., because they perceived it was their only medium of power.

However, I do not believe that Rosie had that in mind when she made the statements. I believe she was actually trying to imply that somehow the Pope had erred in his comments, which he did not, and moreover, that the Muslims that are committed acts of violence in response are somehow justified, they aren't.
 
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therealUT said:
I would have to agree with her.

Extremist Muslims have resorted to violence because it is their only medium of power, in their perception.

Extremist Christians resorted to violence during the Clinton Admin., because they perceived it was their only medium of power.

However, I do not believe that Rosie had that in mind when she made the statements. I believe she was actually trying to imply that somehow the Pope had erred in his comments, which he did not, and moreover, that the Muslims that are committed acts of violence in response are somehow justified, they aren't.
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You really equate the danger posed by radical Islam to that of radical Christianity? Wow.

I don't know that her comments were in reference to the Pope's.
 
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Radical Christianity can definitely be dangerous, but it's a complete red herring on Rosie's part. While there may be some validity to her statement in general, what she's doing is trying to establish moral equivalence which drives me nuts.
 
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They are both just as dangerous although the numbers game is quite different for either. Killing doctors, bombing abortion clinics, and OK City are just a few examples of what these types do.
 
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GAVol said:
Radical Christianity can definitely be dangerous, but it's a complete red herring on Rosie's part. While there may be some validity to her statement in general, what she's doing is trying to establish moral equivalence which drives me nuts.
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Once again - we agree. My guess is she's talking about their views on abortion, homosexuality, etc. However, being intolerant is quite a bit different from declaring Jihad and randomly killing people.

There is danger but it is at least an order of magnitude lower.
 
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How are Christians as bad as the other? We don't fight til either we are attacked first, or if there is a reason for us to start it so that we never get attacked, or if a weaker country needs help. Rosie is a complete idiot. she's a loud mouth homo. she never thinks she is wrong, if she's so smart she should run for president, i'm sure it would b a landslide for the political party running against her, which would b the republican party, and that would b awesome
 
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CSpindizzy said:
They are both just as dangerous although the numbers game is quite different for either. Killing doctors, bombing abortion clinics, and OK City are just a few examples of what these types do.
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The numbers make a huge difference! There are always whackos at the fringes but no single group has put it into action the way radical Islam has.

If Rosie thinks radical Christians are trying to take away her rights, she should try living under radical Islamic rules!
 
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volinbham said:
You really equate the danger posed by radical Islam to that of radical Christianity? Wow.
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Well, radical Islam has definitely progressed further than radical Christianity, as I do not see any Christians, no matter how "fundamental," rioting over cartoons. However, Muslims did not start out committing violence over what they believed were trivial matters. The "Arab Awakening" has progressed over 100 years to the point that now they will kill over virtually anything.

However, the progression is already starting with extremist Christians. What started out as attacks against abortion clinics, has now spread to grotesque demonstrations at the funerals of homosexuals (and American soldiers.) Once Gay Marriage is legalized in a handful of states (not all, not even a majority) you will see attacks at Homosexual weddings. Eventually, it will snowball, and every last offensive comment towards Christianity will be repised.
 
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therealUT said:
However, the progression is already starting with extremist Christians. What started out as attacks against abortion clinics, has now spread to grotesque demonstrations at the funerals of homosexuals (and American soldiers.) Once Gay Marriage is legalized in a handful of states (not all, not even a majority) you will see attacks at Homosexual weddings. Eventually, it will snowball, and every last offensive comment towards Christianity will be repised.
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I'm skeptical that it will reach the level you suggest.
 
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Again, I said the numbers are different but that does not take away the fact that there are elements of radical Christianity at work in this country. You can lump many white supremacist groups in with this sicne they all preach hatred but while using the Bible.
 
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It's the same line of reasoning, but I think the difference is that while there are some Christian fanatics out there who have done some really bad things, very few of them are as seemingly willing to commit suicide for their cause.
 
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GAVol said:
It's the same line of reasoning, but I think the difference is that while there are some Christian fanatics out there who have done some really bad things, very few of them are as seemingly willing to commit suicide for their cause.
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That gets at the point. No one denies there is a dangerous/destructive/evil existing in radical Christianity. However, the overall power/impact of radical Christianity is dwarfed by that of radical Islam.

Which one is more dangerous right now? Radical Islam without a doubt.
 
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You can also flip it on the non-violent side of radical religion. Both groups advocate a theocratic view on laws. With the Muslims you have Sharia. With Christians you have the views on religious symbols, homosexuals, gay marriage, war on drugs, evolution in schools, prayer in schools, abortion, liquor sales on Sunday, zoning for adult novelty stores, pornography, etc. Both have the same views on each of these and use the power of government to solidify laws against such things.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
You can also flip it on the non-violent side of radical religion. Both groups advocate a theocratic view on laws. With the Muslims you have Sharia. With Christians you have the views on religious symbols, homosexuals, gay marriage, war on drugs, evolution in schools, prayer in schools, abortion, liquor sales on Sunday, zoning for adult novelty stores, pornography, etc. Both have the same views on each of these and use the power of government to solidify laws against such things.
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Agreed but I doubt you'd find anything in that list that radical Islam would accept either. However, they would add a whole new level of virtually removing rights from women, other religions, no music, no TV, etc. etc. (see some of the rules of the Taliban regime).

Again, radical Christianity threatens lives and liberties but not on the scale that radical Islam does.
 
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volinbham said:
Agreed but I doubt you'd find anything in that list that radical Islam would accept either. However, they would add a whole new level of virtually removing rights from women, other religions, no music, no TV, etc. etc. (see some of the rules of the Taliban regime).

Again, radical Christianity threatens lives and liberties but not on the scale that radical Islam does.
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And Southern Baptists are big advocates of womens' rights? Also, concerning the suicide question...Islamic terrorism did not start out as suicidal. That is an evolution, an evolution that is completely foreseeable among radical Christians.
 
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GAVol said:
I understand your point, but comparing Southern Baptists to Radical Islamists on the issue of Women's Rights is shaky at best.
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Wasn't there a pastor in East Tennessee who was recently releived of his position after allowing a woman to teach Sunday school to boys?
 
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How many Southern Baptist churches allow women pastors? How many allow women in leadership positions?
 
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therealUT said:
And Southern Baptists are big advocates of womens' rights? Also, concerning the suicide question...Islamic terrorism did not start out as suicidal. That is an evolution, an evolution that is completely foreseeable among radical Christians.
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When did the whole martyrdom/72 virgins stuff come in?
 
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therealUT said:
Wasn't there a pastor in East Tennessee who was recently releived of his position after allowing a woman to teach Sunday school to boys?
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No idea. I guess my point is though that if something like that happened, it was due to the ignorance of the Pastor and not an edict from Southern Baptists as a whole.
 
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