Anybody stupid enough to think we want ObamaCare

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I don't know. My mother's family is all from Quebec. A close relative of mine broke his leg up there last week. He waited four hours for an x-ray, and then four hours to get casted. Sounds awful, right?

A few months ago I had an issue with my shoulder here in the states. Guess what? I waited four hours for an x-ray, and then two days to get my final diagnosis. yes, I have insurance (although they are total D-bags.)


I am convinced that healthcare just innately sucks due to the scope of the population and range of ailments/illnesses. I don't know that "ObamaCare" will really change anything either way.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Do you know how many people in the United States currently get their health care from a purely government -run single payor system?
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no, but I do know that number is nowhere close to 308 million.
 
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IPorange said:
I don't know. My mother's family is all from Quebec. A close relative of mine broke his leg up there last week. He waited four hours for an x-ray, and then four hours to get casted. Sounds awful, right?

A few months ago I had an issue with my shoulder here in the states. Guess what? I waited four hours for an x-ray, and then two days to get my final diagnosis. yes, I have insurance (although they are total D-bags.)


I am convinced that healthcare just innately sucks due to the scope of the population and range of ailments/illnesses. I don't know that "ObamaCare" will really change anything either way.
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except for who pays for it
 
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IPorange said:
I don't know. My mother's family is all from Quebec. A close relative of mine broke his leg up there last week. He waited four hours for an x-ray, and then four hours to get casted. Sounds awful, right?

A few months ago I had an issue with my shoulder here in the states. Guess what? I waited four hours for an x-ray, and then two days to get my final diagnosis. yes, I have insurance (although they are total D-bags.)


I am convinced that healthcare just innately sucks due to the scope of the population and range of ailments/illnesses. I don't know that "ObamaCare" will really change anything either way.
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the problem isn't with checkups, broken bones, or the flu when it comes to socialized healthcare. taht part works fairly well. the problem is if you have cancer, or need to see a specialist. for instance i follow a stock called intuitive surgical (ISRG) who make the only robotic operating system in the world. the machines cost over a $1 mil and each procedure costs in the high 5 figures. it significantly cuts down on recovery time and has a far higher success rate for many surgeries. virtually ever major us hospital has one. in canada i believe only 5 hospitals have one.
 
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right and medicare is 10-20 years away from literaly bankrupting this country unless we cut back on the benefits or raise taxes. why don't we tripple that obligation. brilliant!
 
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lawgator1 said:
Between federal employees, Medicare, and Medicaid, its 120 to 130 million.

We're basically half way there already.
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prove your numbers.

medicare and medicaid are hemorrhaging money and are inefficient.

government employees aren't covered by a single payer system. even members of Congress are covered by group insurance plans offered by private companies.
 
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My concern right now is that even if I was all for it (which I'm not) I'd still have no idea how we'd pay for it. We're in deep without one cent going to UHC.
 
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droski said:
right and medicare is 10-20 years away from literaly bankrupting this country unless we cut back on the benefits or raise taxes. why don't we tripple that obligation. brilliant!
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That's not because of government costs. Government overhead to run those programs is much less than the costs of the private insurers. And in the end, in 10-20 years at the rate private health insurance keeps going up the whole system will either bankrupt the country or collapse.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's not because of government costs. Government overhead to run those programs is much less than the costs of the private insurers. And in the end, in 10-20 years at the rate private health insurance keeps going up the whole system will either bankrupt the country or collapse.
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prove it.
 
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T-TownVol said:
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except for who pays for it
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Who pays for the uninsured that go the ER and can't pay for it now? We already pay for it. But I know, I need to listen to all the doom and gloom. It's the end of the free world, etc.
 
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Obamacare may not be the answer, but healthcare does need to be reformed in some way.
We have not seen the Obamcare plan yet. I think some moderates in the senate may help keep it in check.
I agree with some of the things concerning healthcare that Obama campaigned on.

1. Offer the public the same medical insurance that members of the congress have.
If I understand correctly, members of Congress are covered by a group insurance plan. Not government ran.

2. Electronic medical records.
I realize if this is not done correctly it could lead to some privacy issues.
It could save a hugh amount of money and at the same time slow down doctor shopping for drugs.
 
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IPorange said:
Who pays for the uninsured that go the ER and can't pay for it now? We already pay for it. But I know, I need to listen to all the doom and gloom. It's the end of the free world, etc.
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That is money that is not recovered by the facility, for the most part. BHO is going to force the tax payer to pay for it so he can pay the hospitals.
The doom and gloom is the tactic that the Dems are using to ram this through.
Those of us that are self insured are going to get the shaft on this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Between federal employees, Medicare, and Medicaid, its 120 to 130 million.

We're basically half way there already.
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and that makes it OK?

at the rate that BHO is adding federal employees, the other half will be covered any way
 
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Vols378 said:
Obamacare may not be the answer, but healthcare does need to be reformed in some way.
We have not seen the Obamcare plan yet. I think some moderates in the senate may help keep it in check.
I agree with some of the things concerning healthcare that Obama campaigned on.

1. Offer the public the same medical insurance that members of the congress have.
If I understand correctly, members of Congress are covered by a group insurance plan. Not government ran.

2. Electronic medical records.
I realize if this is not done correctly it could lead to some privacy issues.
It could save a hugh amount of money and at the same time slow down doctor shopping for drugs.
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Some serious tort reform wouldn't hurt either.
 
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lawgator1 said:
That's not because of government costs. Government overhead to run those programs is much less than the costs of the private insurers. And in the end, in 10-20 years at the rate private health insurance keeps going up the whole system will either bankrupt the country or collapse.
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Enormous pile of shat here.
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I didn't watch the video because I've found non-porn internet movies are useless.

With that said, I have a "friend" that went to Canada as a "citizen" a couple of years ago and received free lasic eye surgery. He was extremely happy with the care, the procedure, and of course, the cost.
 
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Vols378 said:
2. Electronic medical records.
I realize if this is not done correctly it could lead to some privacy issues.
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This should be a non-issue. Paper kept records are at a much higher risk of privacy issues. Going electronic is making your records safer.

The antiquated medical establishment is about the only industry hanging on to a purely paper recording system.
 
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