Anyone going to the UTC Home opener tonight?

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vollygirl said:
He didn't want to sit out a year.
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So Cut wanted him at Duke but BJ decided it was best for him to play for the struggling Mocs and not sit out a year ? Then I have to question his decision making skills.

Where did you hear Cut wanted him and he did not want to sit out a year?

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Ok Ok... Timeout! I was going as a warmup to Saturdays game. Plus I AM A COLLEGE FOOTBALL FAN! Who cares who is playing and who wins.... Its Football Time in Tennessee!!
 
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VolDad said:
So Cut wanted him at Duke but BJ decided it was best for him to play for the struggling Mocs and not sit out a year ? Then I have to question his decision making skills.

Where did you hear Cut wanted him and he did not want to sit out a year?

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Question whatever you want to. You asked why he didn't go to Duke, I said he didn't want to sit out a year. The end.
 
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volmanal said:
Ok Ok... Timeout! I was going as a warmup to Saturdays game. Plus I AM A COLLEGE FOOTBALL FAN! Who cares who is playing and who wins.... Its Football Time in Tennessee!!
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No doubt, don't ever speak again of the Mocs, Coleman, or Chattanooga in general. Too many sensitive motherf....... here today.:crazy:
 
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vollygirl said:
Question whatever you want to. You asked why he didn't go to Duke, I said he didn't want to sit out a year. The end.
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In other words, Cut never showed any interest in BJ coming to Duke and Colmanites use the “sitting out 1 year” as an excuse. Thanks for clarifying. The End.
 
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VolDad said:
In other words, Cut never showed any interest in BJ coming to Duke and Colmanites use the “sitting out 1 year” as an excuse. Thanks for clarifying. The End.
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Is VolDad auditioning to be the next hatvol?
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My opinion is this - Cut already had a year under his belt. He wasn't going to try to "steal" a UT recruit when he left for Duke. Perhaps BJ did not want to sit out. Perhaps his daddy persuaded him to go to the Mocs. Who cares really???

VOLMANAL - Hope ya have fun at the game. Let us know how BJ plays. Hope he works out down there in the 'Nooga.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
but didn't Crompton have the benefit of piloting the 1st team offense? there's lots of angles for people to work here on both sides. personally, my biggest issue is that Cut (who probably knows alot more about QBs than Fulmer and Kiffin put together) hand-picked BJ and our ill-fated former OC Clawson stated that the best thing the Vols could do in 09 was start BJ. Lots of questions.
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Yeah, what would Kiffin know about quarterbacks? Being around all those guys from SC that are now cashing big NFL checks indicates nothing.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
but didn't Crompton have the benefit of piloting the 1st team offense? there's lots of angles for people to work here on both sides. personally, my biggest issue is that Cut (who probably knows alot more about QBs than Fulmer and Kiffin put together) hand-picked BJ and our ill-fated former OC Clawson stated that the best thing the Vols could do in 09 was start BJ. Lots of questions.
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Really? It seems pretty cut and dried to me. Kiffin wants to throw downfield -- remember the offense he used to run with Matt Leinart at USC? -- and Coleman doesn't have the arm to make those throws. So Kiffin was going to do everything possible to give Crompton a chance to win the job first, because while all the QBs on the roster suck, Crompton's got the cannon. Coleman was impatient with this and got his feelings hurt, so he chose to quit football instead. What are the "questions" about it?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
If Coleman is successful and Crompton does more or less what he has done the past two years then people can draw their own conclusions. I'd hoped BJ would get a chance to start at UTK. It sounded like Coach Kiffin had not made a final decision when BJ chose to leave. Obviously, things must've been said to which we are not privy which makes the whole thing so enigmatic.
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I wouldn't go quite that far. Coleman and Crompton aren't exactly going to be playing the same level of competition this season.
 
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vercingetorix, It's a good point about the arm strength, but I've seen enough of Crompton to have formed the opinion that something prevents him from being a good game manager. Also, Tennessee does not have the personnel to go down the field against SEC defenses this season, even if the QB has the arm and the accuracy. I'm not saying Kiffin messed up by doing whatever he did to encourage BJ's departure, I just have a very specific opinion about Crompton as an SEC QB based on the past three years. Why not use the better game manager for a season if you're going to try and ride Brown et al and the OL to a winning season anyway?

tid, while it's true that UTC will not face the kinds of defenses that UTK will face this season, it is also true that the the UTK QB has alot more playmakers to support him. I think it all balances out to some degree although I do not think anyone is suggesting that Coleman is an NFL prospect.

hat, you're right about Kiffin's work with the QBs at USC but I'd probably give Cutcliffe the edge on eyeing talent based on years of experience coaching the position. Assuming that this staff can recruit an elite QB prospect to run the pro style offense, then Coleman's departure is probably for the best. It will avoid the potential disruption to team chemistry that could occur if this year's starter is moved back in the depth chart for a true freshman next season. However, with 26 of the top 30 QB prospects in the 2010 class already spoken for I am less than optimisitc that they will get a recruit this year who is capable of succeeding as the starter for an SEC team next year.

Basically, I think all three of you make good points but there are legitimate counter points that can give rise to those nagging second guesses.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
.... hat, you're right about Kiffin's work with the QBs at USC but I'd probably give Cutcliffe the edge on eyeing talent based on years of experience coaching the position...... .
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So why do you think he did not transfer to Duke? (or perhaps he did and Cut discouraged it). Either says a lot.
 
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VolDad said:
So why do you think he did not transfer to Duke? (or perhaps he did and Cut discouraged it). Either says a lot.
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moving into the realm of pure rumor for a moment, supposedly he had a chance to transfer (presumably to Duke) at the end of the 2007 season and Fulmer talked him into staying. Then Cut signed Renfree and any such opportunity evaporated.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
but didn't Crompton have the benefit of piloting the 1st team offense? there's lots of angles for people to work here on both sides. personally, my biggest issue is that Cut (who probably knows alot more about QBs than Fulmer and Kiffin put together) hand-picked BJ and our ill-fated former OC Clawson stated that the best thing the Vols could do in 09 was start BJ. Lots of questions.
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He didn't handpick BJ. That's BS he and Fulmer put out there to cover the fact that they couldn't land a decent QB and had to settle for an instate guy.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
moving into the realm of pure rumor for a moment, supposedly he had a chance to transfer (presumably to Duke) at the end of the 2007 season and Fulmer talked him into staying. Then Cut signed Renfree and any such opportunity evaporated.
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But if Coleman is so good and Cut is so impressed by him, couldn’t he have competed against Renfree for the starting position?
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Basically, I think all three of you make good points but there are legitimate counter points that can give rise to those nagging second guesses.
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But what exactly are you second-guessing? Kiffin didn't make any decisions about the QB job either way. Coleman's the one who quit because he didn't like the way the competition was going. He was like the guy who walks away from a three-way Monopoly game just when it's getting interesting because he feels like the other two players are ganging up on him.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
But what exactly are you second-guessing? Kiffin didn't make any decisions about the QB job either way. Coleman's the one who quit because he didn't like the way the competition was going. He was like the guy who walks away from a three-way Monopoly game just when it's getting interesting because he feels like the other two players are ganging up on him.
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I guess that's where I have a lingering question. Coleman stayed when Cut left, and was a picture of sportsmanship when competing for the backup role in 2008, but we're supposed to think that he just up and left while still competing for the starting job? Coleman said that he did not match what the new staff wants to do at QB and the staff has been silent. Either Coleman is full of baloney or something was said. Telling a guy that he's going to ride the pine for the rest of his days on your team is a decision of sorts and I'd kind of like to know if that's what was said.
 
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