Anyone hear Jerry Punch?

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He said that RS was the most talented coach on the offense. Are we the only ones who don't see it? I have heard that comment a couple of times from different people.
 
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He made him sound brilliant, but if so, why in the heck hasn't he brought in a more supportive, talented offensive staff?

If he was not the problem, we will know soon enough.

JP also mention that scheme and philosphy may be the problem.
 
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He is right! That is another bad move by PF and the powers that be. RS will be sought after by many programs, and from what i'm hearing Spurrier and South Carolina are after him!

Good luck RS!
 
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Randy put it well... "Whether I'm responsible for dropped passes and fumbles or not, this is my ship." (sic)

and the ship was sinking.
 
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Originally posted by BamaRic@Oct 31, 2005 4:59 PM
He is right! That is another bad move by PF and the powers that be. RS will be sought after by many programs, and from what i'm hearing Spurrier and South Carolina are after him!

Good luck RS!
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Funny how it takes a man quitting to bring him all of this attention. Nobody has been after him since he has been here.
 
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His talent is clearly evident from looking at the list of folks who tried to lure him away from TN over the past 17 years:

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Hmmm. Let's see........The list seems to be empty. At the same time, I appreciate his passion and fervor for TN. The fact this was (and is) so painful lies with Fulmer.

If you can't blame the players, blame the fans. As others have said, Fulmer cannot dispassionately evaluate what needs to happen, and cannot lead through change.

Sanders was overmatched when he took the job, was not up-coached throughout the job, was not given freedom, was abused by some of the fans (including tons of abuse heaped upon his family), and now will go somewhere else.

I have been a very vocal critic of Sanders, but only of his job performance. And on the basis of his job performance alone (not his history at TN, not his passion for the Vols, not his ability in other areas of his life, but merely his performance this year), I think his resignation was appropriate, and necessary.

He was a man for stepping up and saying the buck stops with him, and regardless of the reason, he is the one accountable and will answer for it by resigning.

Fulmer needs to follow his lead in doing the same if the ship is not righted very quickly.
 
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He also said college football is the only place where the losses are blamed on the subordinates. If a general loses a battle no one fires the LT or the enlisted men.
 
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I don't know PJ, sometimes the LTCs or full birds have to take some responsibility as well. I have known a few in my day.
 
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He will be the second coming of the "Ole Ball Coach". Spurrier knows talent, and RS has it! Spurrier will do the "up-coaching" that PF did not.
 
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The Cocks can take RS and Jimmy Clausen as far as I am concerned. Heck, Shula could hire him, and I would say Sayonara.
 
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Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 31, 2005 6:02 PM
Funny how it takes a man quitting to bring him all of this attention.  Nobody has been after him since he has been here.
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Spurrier to give up the play calling?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

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I don't think RS is OC material at this level. However, I would tend to agree that he is the most knowledgable coach on the offensive side. Of course, I don't sit it on meetings so that is purely put together by small pieces of information over the years.

But look at this:

Pat "I have no responsibility here whatsoever" Washington
Billy Ray Cyrus Stephens
Trooper "Chest Bump" Taylor
Greg "No one knows what I do" Adkins

Which one of those geniuses would be a better offensive mind than RS?

It's not his head knowledge, but his leadership, teaching, and organizational ability.

It's an institutional problem with the staff, starting with the Hogfather. I'm not sure I see anything getting better at this point. I actually think RS would have a chance to be an average-at-best SEC OC if he had a good staff around him.
 
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I agree with Punch and Liper, he is the most talented coach on that staff. He gets no help whatsoever from his position coaches.
 
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Originally posted by BamaRic@Oct 31, 2005 6:09 PM
He will be the second coming of the "Ole Ball Coach". Spurrier knows talent, and RS has it! Spurrier will do the "up-coaching" that PF did not.
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If you think Sanders is the 2nd coming of Spurrier I have a couple of bridges to sell you Cheap
 
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Originally posted by vol_freak@Oct 31, 2005 6:30 PM
I agree with Punch and Liper, he is the most talented coach on that staff. He gets no help whatsoever from his position coaches.
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Sorry freak but he's not the most talented and he is part of the problem, do not be fooled. There is more going on here than just playcalling
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 31, 2005 5:38 PM
Sorry freak but he's not the most talented and he is part of the problem, do not be fooled. There is more going on here than just playcalling
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I can't speak for freak, but I don't deny he is an ally. Haha.

RS is part of the problem because he is out of position. But standing alone, he is better than those other boobs. I think he is a reasonable #3 or #4 man on the totem pole.

Remeber some of the coaches on those older staffs:
Fulmer
Cutcliffe
Kippy Brown
Sanders
Walt Harris

Compare that staff to that 2nd rate bunch over there now. RS is just a portion of it - but the problem is deep.
 
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The only reason Sanders is being dissed and resigned is that he was given no authority to run this stinking offense. He did not hire his assistants, Fulmer did. All those assistants you guys hate, hired by Fulmer. Sanders had no say so whatsoever.
 
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Originally posted by Vol67@Oct 31, 2005 6:38 PM
Sorry freak but he's not the most talented and he is part of the problem, do not be fooled. There is more going on here than just playcalling
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I didn't say he was not part of the problem. There is a lot more going on than just playcalling. I just think we have no coaches on that offense that are any good. Washington has my vote as the worst coach on the staff and I have never been happy with Stevens. Trooper Taylor does bring a lot of energy to the program and has some potential, he has not proven anything to me. So if I am ranking them they all get bad grades but Sanders is the best coach on that offense by default.
 
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Originally posted by BHAMVOLFAN@Oct 31, 2005 7:06 PM
The only reason Sanders is being dissed and resigned is that he was given no authority to run this stinking offense.  He did not hire his assistants, Fulmer did.  All those assistants you guys hate, hired by Fulmer.  Sanders had no say so whatsoever.
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exactly.
 
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For crying out loud, Randy Sanders was only the OC and he did not have the authority to hire/fire assistant coaches. Randy, for many of you people, did not have a thing to do with the WRs, OL or RBs but merely depended on the coaches covering those positions to see that their players were well prepared. IMO there will be 2 more coaches on the offensive staff leave the program before the start of spring practice.
 
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TVTT I don't think anyone was implying that Sanders should be hiring or firing position coaches, just that he is surrounded by some bad ones.
 
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I'm ambivalent about the firing of Sanders - I hate to see it happen to a guy that's given as much to UT as he has. That said, something DID need to change. I might have started with Washington and Stephens first though - those guys are terrible. Not my call though. He appears to be handling this in a very professional manner, unlike some former basketball coaches we've had. I would like to thank the guy for his commitment to our football team for so many years.


Edit: yo Freak - long time no see - this place is great!
 
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Originally posted by Gatorhater@Oct 31, 2005 10:50 PM
I'm ambivalent about the firing of Sanders - I hate to see it happen to a guy that's given as much to UT as he has.  That said, something DID need to change.  I might have started with Washington and Stephens first though - those guys are terrible.  Not my call though.  He appears to be handling this in a very professional manner, unlike some former basketball coaches we've had.  I would like to thank the guy for his commitment to our football team for so many years.
Edit:  yo Freak - long time no see - this place is great!
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good to see ya Gatorhater. :hi:
 

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