Anyone in Management or Administrative Positions on the Board Please Read and Respond

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Daloth said:
I have a sister that works for the state and deals with children 16 and under in roane, morgan, scott, and two other counties that I don't recall. She has told me the procedure for this before, because it is a lot more grey than you think.

If it's a normal child, typical home, then a call to the hot line is perfectly legitimate and virtually the only thing to do. There is no need to reveal your name or anything and you do it there and everything on your end is square (assuming you are not the sole witness or anything).

However, if the child is adopted or a foster kid, things become really tricky legal-wise, especially if the child is nearing age of consent. Reporting it then nearly always will immediately result in the child being taken custody of by the state, no questions asked. The parents (whether found guilty of any crimes or not even accused) will nearly always be blacklisted from adopting or being a foster parent again (even if the child put themselves in the situation without parental knowledge or under the supervision of another adult).

Basically, if it's an adopted/foster kid, you better make damn sure its true, because your just gonna cause even more upheaval in their life than is already there. And if it ends out being not true, there's a good chance you just cost them a decent home.

And I won't even get started on when 16-17 year old foster kids abuse the fact they are almost legal...
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Your sis is an honorable person. My sis just retired from state (Davidson and surrounding counties)working with emotionally disturbed adolescents up to age 18.Takes special people to try to help undo what a lot of them have been through. I dare say she would intervene anytime a fight broke out, boys or girls, and was hit numerous times, and knocked out twice, sent to the hospital twice. Nerves of steel. Heart of Gold. A lot of people on the oiutside don't know what is going on in the real world.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I'd imagine they're going to pay a little more attention after this fiasco.
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I'm afraid you greatly underestimate the "That stuff happens in other places" mentality. This will be on people's minds for sure, but back when I was doing seminars, the Catholic Church was in hot water and in some places it barely moved the needle.
 
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LawVol13 said:
If you are given an allegation of child abuse on the property or building which you have authority, how do you handle that allegation? Simple question with simple answers.
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Notify the police and immediately remove the guilty/accused person/s.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm afraid you greatly underestimate the "That stuff happens in other places" mentality.
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The visual would be fingers in ears, and singing in unison: "La la la la la la la..."

Child abuse, including child sexual abuse, is such a horrifying topic that most people don't even want to think about it. They especially don't want to think about it happening to children that they know, or it being done by adults that they know. Sadly, it's human nature to go into full ostrich mode for things like this.

Human nature doesn't make it right, though.
 
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GAVol said:
I'm afraid you greatly underestimate the "That stuff happens in other places" mentality. This will be on people's minds for sure, but back when I was doing seminars, the Catholic Church was in hot water and in some places it barely moved the needle.
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That's just pathetic stuff, man. I would hope that if something good could possibly come out of this that it would raise awareness. If I were on the Penn State Board of Trustees, I think I make that something that I would donate lots and lots of money too. Pay for seminars, pay for training, pay for the creation of an organization on pedophilia awareness in the workplace. That would be the least they could do.
 
#31
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utfantilidie said:
Your sis is an honorable person. My sis just retired from state (Davidson and surrounding counties)working with emotionally disturbed adolescents up to age 18.Takes special people to try to help undo what a lot of them have been through. I dare say she would intervene anytime a fight broke out, boys or girls, and was hit numerous times, and knocked out twice, sent to the hospital twice. Nerves of steel. Heart of Gold. A lot of people on the oiutside don't know what is going on in the real world.
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She's about 5 foot nothing and some of the stories she's told me already (she's only been working these 5 counties for about six months) make we scared to death for her safety sometimes. She's always been good with kids though, even when we were younger, and worked with special ed kids for years at our local boys and girls club. I agree that it takes a special kind of person to do things like that. I don't see how she does it, especially with the hours you have to put in and the small pay they get in comparison.
 
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Daloth said:
She's about 5 foot nothing and some of the stories she's told me already (she's only been working these 5 counties for about six months) make we scared to death for her safety sometimes. She's always been good with kids though, even when we were younger, and worked with special ed kids for years at our local boys and girls club. I agree that it takes a special kind of person to do things like that. I don't see how she does it, especially with the hours you have to put in and the small pay they get in comparison.
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Here's to your sister. Great woman. :hi:
 
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Ok, one back to you. Your 4 year old daughter happens to be fairly clumsy. She's fallen down and hit her head, skinned her knees and elbows twice in the past month, both times serious enough that you took her to the ER. Today she fell while riding her tricycle and scratched and bruised her butt and crotch pretty badly so you take her back to the ER. While you are there, the ER doctors, being mandated reporters, decide there is enough evidence of abuse to call CPS. CPS comes and takes your daughter away pending the outcome of the investigation. Are you okay with that development?
 
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YorkVol said:
Ok, one back to you. Your 4 year old daughter happens to be fairly clumsy. She's fallen down and hit her head, skinned her knees and elbows twice in the past month, both times serious enough that you took her to the ER. Today she fell while riding her tricycle and scratched and bruised her butt and crotch pretty badly so you take her back to the ER. While you are there, the ER doctors, being mandated reporters, decide there is enough evidence of abuse to call CPS. CPS comes and takes your daughter away pending the outcome of the investigation. Are you okay with that development?
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First, I think CPS has to have notice of imminent danger to a kid to do an emergency removal.

Second, a doctor should be able to tell the difference between scratches on her crotch from a tricycle accident and signs of sexual abuse.

Third, if they couldn't do an emergency removal, it would have to go to juvenile court.

Fourth, if they wrongfully removed your kids based on BS reports of sex abuse from a doctor who was negligent in calling it that, then the family could sue the piss out of DCS and the doctor.
 
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YorkVol said:
Ok, one back to you. Your 4 year old daughter happens to be fairly clumsy. She's fallen down and hit her head, skinned her knees and elbows twice in the past month, both times serious enough that you took her to the ER. Today she fell while riding her tricycle and scratched and bruised her butt and crotch pretty badly so you take her back to the ER. While you are there, the ER doctors, being mandated reporters, decide there is enough evidence of abuse to call CPS. CPS comes and takes your daughter away pending the outcome of the investigation. Are you okay with that development?
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I would rather err on the side of caution. And FWIW, two of my three kids were amazing klutzes, and we made a lot of trips to the doctor and occasional ER. I used to wonder if something like this might happen, and I decided that if it did, we'd get through it. --and I also decided that I wouldn't be angry at someone who reported, if they were doing it because they were genuinely concerned about my kids. That's just me though, I guess.

I used to take in kids (babies up to age 4 or 5) for emergency foster care, only for a few days, while some sort of chaos was going on in their lives (parents gone missing, etc.) In my experience, the investigations went pretty quickly. The SW'ers didn't want to keep kids away from safe homes any longer than necessary to determine that the homes were in fact safe.
 
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#36
I've seen similar circumstances three different times and each time was extremely traumatic for all involved. In my view, each was handled very poorly and most of the trauma could have been avoided if there was a good situational triage protocol in place. That is the piece we are missing in our zealousness to ensure the child's safety we leave out the step where we ask a few probing questions to determine if there is even a problem to begin with.

I'm okay with placing someone on admin leave, temporarily removing children and so on, if the social worker or other official first determines some amount of probable cause. But we don't do that, we go with the first report (which is often inaccurate) and presume there is a threat (meaning we presume guilt) until we can prove otherwise. I would insert a step of some amount of reasonable verification before taking the next, more drastic steps.
 
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LawVol13 said:
ESPN reporting that McQreary has been placed on administrative leave.
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I'm sure they were just making sure they got that move right from a legal standpoint, but that seemed like a natural move from the day the story broke.
 
#40
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It is really for his safety more than anything. He'll be protected by whistle blower laws unless they can prove he was part of a cover up.
 
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YorkVol said:
It is really for his safety more than anything. He'll be protected by whistle blower laws unless they can prove he was part of a cover up.
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I don't think so. I don't think they owe a whole lot to McQreary. He was protected by whistleblower laws 10 years ago and was too big of a pussy to report it. I think the motivation behind this is PR. They look like idiots for firing everyone involved except him.
 
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LawVol13 said:
I don't think so. I don't think they owe a whole lot to McQreary. He was protected by whistleblower laws 10 years ago and was too big of a pussy to report it. I think the motivation behind this is PR. They look like idiots for firing everyone involved except him.
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Yeah, true, I meant to say their excuse is his safety. . .
 
#46
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YorkVol said:
Ok, one back to you. Your 4 year old daughter happens to be fairly clumsy. She's fallen down and hit her head, skinned her knees and elbows twice in the past month, both times serious enough that you took her to the ER. Today she fell while riding her tricycle and scratched and bruised her butt and crotch pretty badly so you take her back to the ER. While you are there, the ER doctors, being mandated reporters, decide there is enough evidence of abuse to call CPS. CPS comes and takes your daughter away pending the outcome of the investigation. Are you okay with that development?
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Usually the first choice for child placement is with family.
 
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