Apple Avoids Billions in Taxes

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Also, I must point out that companies are willing to pay American workers more, because they are more productive. But if they are 20% more productive, and you have to pay them 30% more, than those jobs are going elsewhere.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Since minimum wage + payroll taxes/SS contributions, etc. = more than what they pay workers in China, the answer to this question is a moot point.
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You assume that the people required to do that work would do so for what they pay people in China.

That is the key flaw in your logic.

They would not, regardless of what the minimum wage was and regardless of taxes.

It is simply a fact of our nation's standard of living that we cannot compete wages-wise with what people in those countries will accept for those jobs. Its not a question of the minimum wage or taxes; it is a question of whether people are willing to do that job and still be incredibly poor compared to what they could make in any other job.

It is not the minimum wage that is the problem.
 
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#53
High tax states and high union states (usually the same) have no one but themselves to blame. I believe in fair wages, but nut turners shouldn't make $40 bucks an hour.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You assume that the people required to do that work would do so for what they pay people in China.

That is the key flaw in your logic.

They would not, regardless of what the minimum wage was and regardless of taxes.

It is simply a fact of our nation's standard of living that we cannot compete wages-wise with what people in those countries will accept for those jobs. Its not a question of the minimum wage or taxes; it is a question of whether people are willing to do that job and still be incredibly poor compared to what they could make in any other job.

It is not the minimum wage that is the problem.
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No I don't assume that:


n_huffhines said:
Also, I must point out that companies are willing to pay American workers more, because they are more productive. But if they are 20% more productive, and you have to pay them 30% more, than those jobs are going elsewhere.
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We can compete with them not because we are cheap, but because we are more productive.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What are you even saying? Is the rate not the most impactful rule?
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Not necessarily, no. If the rules allow you to pay 10% on a 90% rate, of course you would do that over a 20% flat rate. The rules mean more in that case then the rate itself.
 
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rjd970 said:
Not necessarily, no. If the rules allow you to pay 10% on a 90% rate, of course you would do that over a 20% flat rate. The rules mean more in that case then the rate itself.
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I'm talking about the effective rate. Why would I be talking about anything other than the rate paid?
 
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lawgator1 said:
You assume that the people required to do that work would do so for what they pay people in China.

That is the key flaw in your logic.

They would not, regardless of what the minimum wage was and regardless of taxes.

It is simply a fact of our nation's standard of living that we cannot compete wages-wise with what people in those countries will accept for those jobs. Its not a question of the minimum wage or taxes; it is a question of whether people are willing to do that job and still be incredibly poor compared to what they could make in any other job.

It is not the minimum wage that is the problem.
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I do agree (to a point) with your last statement. Minimum wage rates are not causing the exodus of Ameican jobs. More so are all of the regulations and work rules and that drive up the cost of having American employees.

With the cost of health insurance, workmans comp, safety programs, overtime rules, EPA regulations ext ext, the cost of manufacturing goes through the roof.
 
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hog88 said:
I do agree (to a point) with your last statement. Minimum wage rates are not causing the exodus of Ameican jobs. More so are all of the regulations and work rules and that drive up the cost of having American employees.

With the cost of health insurance, workmans comp, safety programs, overtime rules, EPA regulations ext ext, the cost of manufacturing goes through the roof.
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True, and I am for reduced regulations.

I would like to see health care costs reduced, as well, by allowing employers to buy their employees into the Medicare program.

:popcorn:
 
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He makes a great point in that companies lobbying for tax credits is a much bigger problem than existing legal loopholes.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj08zwX0IAs&feature=plcp[/youtube]
 
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n_huffhines said:
That's what happens when you buy from a vendor within your state. If bought from another state, nobody can claim the sales tax.
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Not quite true. If you import something into your state for personal use you are required to file a use tax return and pay the tax. Not paying the use/sales tax is not avoiding the tax, it is evading it.

Individuals have been getting away with this because the states haven't been able to effectively audit individuals so cost/reward isn't there.
 
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KentheOrange said:
Not quite true. If you import something into your state for personal use you are required to file a use tax return and pay the tax. Not paying the use/sales tax is not avoiding the tax, it is evading it.

Individuals have been getting away with this because the states haven't been able to effectively audit individuals so cost/reward isn't there.
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Awesome. We are all criminals.
 
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Section 9
5: No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

6: No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another: nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.
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Can someone give a theory as to why this does not apply to sales tax on things bought in another state? If I buy something from Alabama and bring it to Tennessee, the seller exported it and I imported it.
 
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Godfatha said:
High tax states and high union states (usually the same) have no one but themselves to blame. I believe in fair wages, but nut turners shouldn't make $40 bucks an hour.
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Amen. Unions forcing wages to impossibly high levels for blue collar jobs dug the grave. NAFTA just covered the corpse.
 
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RespectTradition said:
Section 9


Can someone give a theory as to why this does not apply to sales tax on things bought in another state? If I buy something from Alabama and bring it to Tennessee, the seller exported it and I imported it.
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Just guessing but this might be why they call it a "use tax", i.e. there is no TN sales tax on a sale in another state but if you bring the item into TN then there is a tax on its "use" proportional to its sales value.

If you buy a new car out of state they will hit you with this when you go to buy your TN tags.
 
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volved said:
Just guessing but this might be why they call it a "use tax", i.e. there is no TN sales tax on a sale in another state but if you bring the item into TN then there is a tax on its "use" proportional to its sales value.

If you buy a new car out of state they will hit you with this when you go to buy your TN tags.
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Semantics.
 
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