AR-15 Builders

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hndog609 said:
You can use the .223 bullets for deer/hogs...people do it all the time...but you do need to be aware of the bullets. There are lots of bullets for blasting and target shooting but a more limited selection that are actually intended for shooting game and at the heavier end of what your barrel will stabilize. (I'd be wanting no less than a 1-8 twist anyway) I'm partial to Barnes TSX and Sierra GameKings but there's several others.

Now having said the above a 6.8 would probably be even better as a dedicated hunting caliber.
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I know it is big enough with a well placed shot. I've always had it in the back of my mind it was too small.
 
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Somebody mentioned that the 300 BO was really quiet in a suppressor. Is it quieter than a 556? Both subsonic obviously.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Somebody mentioned that the 300 BO was really quiet in a suppressor. Is it quieter than a 556? Both subsonic obviously.
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Yes. 556 isn't available in a subsonic that I'm aware of. This gets into the physics aspect that I'm sure GV can explain, but my understanding is that the 556 can't go subsonic and be a stable round. Essentially it would stand a very good chance of blowing up in your face. I'd highly recommend going to YouTube and searching for 300 blackout suppressed videos. They're a lot of fun.
 
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davethevol said:
Yes. 556 isn't available in a subsonic that I'm aware of. This gets into the physics aspect that I'm sure GV can explain, but my understanding is that the 556 can't go subsonic and be a stable round. Essentially it would stand a very good chance of blowing up in your face. I'd highly recommend going to YouTube and searching for 300 blackout suppressed videos. They're a lot of fun.
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https://www.cheaperthandirt.com/pro...ps-20-round-box-223sub52jhptnt-10223522000.do
 
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davethevol said:
Everything I read says that is an unstable round and you run the risk of losing body parts or your life if you use it.
It's discussed pretty well here. Low Charge, Dangerous?

Edit: I guess I should look more into that round. I guess it can fire safely, it just has very little stopping power.
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Do you own a suppressor? If I were to purchase one, can you get one that will work across multiple calibers, I.e. 223/556 and 300 BO?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Do you own a suppressor? If I were to purchase one, can you get one that will work across multiple calibers, I.e. 223/556 and 300 BO?
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You can get a 7.62 suppressor that will work with both, but a 5.56 won't work with 300 blackout. I have a Specwar 5.56.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
How does your 556 sound since you're not subsonic. Still pretty significant sound reduction?
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Much quieter, but still a good idea to have hearing protection. Without one, it's actually louder than the engines of a 747 taking off a runway.
 
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Thought I would update after all the great feedback. It has been really fun researching all the different components for my first AR build. Upper assembly will be a Bravo Company Mfg. (BCM) 20" barrel with a 1/7 twist, Midwest Industries 15" G3 M-Lok free float handguard, mated to an AeroPrecision upper. Geissele G2S trigger, Magpul MOE+ grip, VLTOR EMOD stock with a Kaw Valley Precision buffer kit with a 4.3oz tungsten buffer. Found a number of these parts on really good deal, like the Geissele trigger on a 4th of July special. Can't wait to start the build!
 
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UTVolinExile said:
Thought I would update after all the great feedback. It has been really fun researching all the different components for my first AR build. Upper assembly will be a Bravo Company Mfg. (BCM) 20" barrel with a 1/7 twist, Midwest Industries 15" G3 M-Lok free float handguard, mated to an AeroPrecision upper. Geissele G2S trigger, Magpul MOE+ grip, VLTOR EMOD stock with a Kaw Valley Precision buffer kit with a 4.3oz tungsten buffer. Found a number of these parts on really good deal, like the Geissele trigger on a 4th of July special. Can't wait to start the build!
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I would order the bench assembly kit that has the vice blocks. Extremely useful especially when torquing down the barrel nut.
 
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Thought I would pop in to wish all y'all black gun builders Happy Independence Day! If you're so inclined, there's several online retailers with great Independence Day deals through midnight tonight. I got a Geissele SSA Enhanced trigger set for less than the price I had previously found for their generic 2stage!
 
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I will post pictures later... My warlock (tactical frontier) system showed up two days ago. I have a friend that picked it up for me and he was so excited that he asked if he could tested it on his AR. He said he loved it and was going to order it for his. "Simple to use, and work as described." I will say that we haven't fired it yet but when I got it home, I had a problems with it. I have a older DPMS AR with a 20 inch barrel. I won’t go into everything else because it's not relevant to the problem. I got it home and popped the two pins that hold the upper and lower together and placed the "warlock upper" fully assembled into the lower.
The rear pin popped right in but I couldn't get the front pin to go in. The locking nut was preventing it from going in. My friend said he had no problems at all.
I don't know if it's because DPMS (I've had it for 10 years) is too old to use on this newer technological or not?
I'm now going to test it on a few other friends AR's (Newer ones) and see if it's an issue with theirs or not. If no issues I’ll try and test fire it and then if all works out purchase a newer lower.
 
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Question: What do you need an AR-15 for? It looks basically like the old M-16 as far as I can tell. And the only purpose for that gun was to kill people easily. It was designed so anyone could hit a target pretty easily.

Now as far as I'm concerned anything with a long barrel isn't any good for home defense. I'm just curious WHY these things are of such interest.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Question: What do you need an AR-15 for? It looks basically like the old M-16 as far as I can tell. And the only purpose for that gun was to kill people easily. It was designed so anyone could hit a target pretty easily.

Now as far as I'm concerned anything with a long barrel isn't any good for home defense. I'm just curious WHY these things are of such interest.
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Not sure if serious, but I will take a whack at it. These are just my own reasons, you could probably ask 10 people and get 10 different answers.

1. Modularity/flexibility. I can have an AR with a long barrel, or a carbine length barrel. Or I could have a pistol build. I can mix and match pretty much every aspect of the gun to fit whatever I want to use the gun for. If I don't like a configuration, I can make another.

2. Ammo. 5.56/.223 is common and relatively cheap. I can put a lot of rounds through my rifle and not break the bank. And availability of 5.56 is widespread.

3. Looks. This is purely cosmetic and personal, but I just like the design aesthetic of the rifle.

4. Overall cost. For less than a grand, I can buy a rifle that will serve for simple target practice, beginner to moderate hunting, or home defense. Literal bang for the buck overall.
 
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UTVolinExile said:
Not sure if serious, but I will take a whack at it. These are just my own reasons, you could probably ask 10 people and get 10 different answers.

1. Modularity/flexibility. I can have an AR with a long barrel, or a carbine length barrel. Or I could have a pistol build. I can mix and match pretty much every aspect of the gun to fit whatever I want to use the gun for. If I don't like a configuration, I can make another.

2. Ammo. 5.56/.223 is common and relatively cheap. I can put a lot of rounds through my rifle and not break the bank. And availability of 5.56 is widespread.

3. Looks. This is purely cosmetic and personal, but I just like the design aesthetic of the rifle.

4. Overall cost. For less than a grand, I can buy a rifle that will serve for simple target practice, beginner to moderate hunting, or home defense. Literal bang for the buck overall.
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Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
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People Hunt with ar's. Why buy a regular rifle for 500 when you can buy an ar. AR serves more purposes than to only hunt. Fun to shoot, and it's fun to modify. It's a hobby, same as modifying cars.

Home defense isn't limited to someone breaking in the house. Example if people are rioting and burning people's house down in your neighborhood. You wouldn't go outside to defend your house with a pistol... there many different cases.

If you own an AR, you own other guns too. So I doubt if someone broke into the house they would grab thier AR.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
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AR is a good home defense rifle. Accurate, light weight, and with a 16 inch barrel very compact.

Yes you can hunt with it, particularly if you go with different rounds and set ups. But even the 556 with the correct load and tip will take a deer.

Like the above poster said, ammo is relatively inexpensive so it's a great range gun as well. Also doesn't have the recoil of some other rifles, so teaching my son how to shoot with it is ideal.

Last but not least for me. It's America's gun. Not a Russian AK.. America's gun.
 
#173
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GoDucks349 said:
Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
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A properly equipped AR can be a very nice deer hunting rifle. As far as home defense, my home literally has no hallways, so your point about barrel length impeding defense does not apply to me.

I am really bothered by the whole school of thought that says "you don't need [insert firearm] to do [insert activity]." Says who? Nobody else should be able to tell me what I do and don't need to do to a) protect myself or my family, or b) exercise my Constitutional right. That would be like me saying to you, "what do you need a computer for to exercise free speech? You can do that just as well with a pencil and paper."
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
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Article you might find interesting.

https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion

Also, Google up images for dynamic entry teams (civil or military) and see what most of them are using for their primary CQB weapons.
 
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GoDucks349 said:
Number four was more what I was wanting to understand. I can see target practice, I guess I've never seen or heard of someone using the AR-15 to hunt with. What do you hunt with it? In my mind home defense is questionable as I don't see anything longer than a pistol as being practical for home defense. It's not easy turning around in a hall way and hitting a target with a longer weapon. I may be wrong on this point.
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Lot's of good deer and pig hunting can be done with the AR-15.

I love AKs too :):

Much more fun to shoot IMO.

Bottom Right: Stag Arms Model 8 AR-15 Piston Driven with Aimpoint Red Dot and 3X Magnifier.
 

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