Are there any Cuonzo supporters left?

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#52
What about those who so vehemently admonished anyone who wasn't a true HOMER.......those who said it loud and often 'you ain't no real vul...you ain't no vf(er)l....
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
There are still plenty of Cuonzo supporters out there. And right fully so.

Just to name a few:

-Billy Donovan
-John Calipari
-Mark Fox
-Cuonzo Martin
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Spot on - I remember Saban talking about how great Coach Dooley was and that everyone should give him more time.
 
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Insunseri said:
Serious question. Simply state your name and your case. It seems that the "fire ccm" sentiment is unanimous and ubiquitous, so I'd honestly like to hear some reasons to keep him (if there are any).

And, I'm not sure the whole "we can't keep firing our coaches so quickly" thing is really valid in this case, but have it...
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I'm your huckleberry.

I am not in favor of firing Martin and here is my logic. I think you give him one more year - so everyone including Martin can see exactly what he has done to Tennessee basketball.

Assuming Stokes leaves - which I think he does, next years team will challenge some of Wade Houston's 5 win teams. It's a given we will have bad coaching, but have you looked at our bench? What a collection of misfit toys - not a shooter, point guard, big man among them. Not their fault. I just think it will be a lot cleaner and clearer letting Martin have his 4th year. It's gonna be ugly no matter who is coaching, but to be fair Martin should have to coach next year and suffer along with the rest of us.
 
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Fullfillmer said:
I'm your huckleberry.

I am not in favor of firing Martin and here is my logic. I think you give him one more year - so everyone including Martin can see exactly what he has done to Tennessee basketball.

Assuming Stokes leaves - which I think he does, next years team will challenge some of Wade Houston's 5 win teams. It's a given we will have bad coaching, but have you looked at our bench? What a collection of misfit toys - not a shooter, point guard, big man among them. Not their fault. I just think it will be a lot cleaner and clearer letting Martin have his 4th year. It's gonna be ugly no matter who is coaching, but to be fair Martin should have to coach next year and suffer along with the rest of us.
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I see your point. Next year is going to suck no matter who is coaching, but a new coach can get his name out there to recruits. Start building relationships.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Do tell
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Okay. You asked, you got a "like" for "Do tell"...

"What a waste of all this talent." I read that one a lot, I guess you do as well.

Maymon, Richardson, Stokes, McRae, and Barton are all juniors and seniors. In and of itself, it's not a big deal I don't suppose. Every single one of those guys was eligible for the NBA draft...last off season.

Maymon was hurt and missed the season, Barton wasn't starting for Memphis, so there's an explanation for why they weren't drafted I guess. Speaking of those two...have they lived up to their billing this season?

I digress...that leaves us with Richardson, Stokes and McRae. Why aren't they already in the NBA? I mean with all this talent...

"Great players make great plays."

When Stokes stepped to the line with .8 seconds left today, "Great players make great plays", I thought. Uh...I certainly can't blame the coach for that one.

So, just to cut to the chase...I don't think the players, collectively, are as good as many of you think they are. I also think there is a chemistry issue and with a young team, maybe a coach can fix that. With a group like this, I'm not sure even a guy like Calipari could fix it...maybe that's a reason he likes the one and done'rs.

Upside. Martin is a very inexperienced coach compared to the majority of coaches in this league. He hasn't won as many games as I would like. I'm sure he's made mistakes, I'm sure he's learning as he goes and I realize that there are those that think that is unacceptable at UT. I've seen a coach in his first year that would NOT abandon man to man defense, for example, change course over the last two years. Maybe, that's too slow for some, I understand that.

Stokes, Richardson and McRae have all become better in areas that were clear deficiencies earlier on in their careers. Maybe that's all them and has nothing to do with coaching. I would disagree with that, but...

When you look at Martin's winning % versus the rest of the league, he sits beneath Calipari and Donovan and ahead of the rest DESPITE his lack of experience AND that includes the assistants sitting there too. I'll give Martin ALL of the blame for that...he could use a more experienced coach/recruiter imo.

Mostly, as I've said previously...Martin is the coach we have now and he has games left to coach. I'm going to support the coach and the players. When the season is over, tourney or not, someone will make a decision about the basketball program. I'm not going to spend the next couple weeks fretting over something I can't control.
 
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I am really looking forward to my next Avatar. Heck, maybe I will even get to go back to the old Bruce Pearl with an afro pic.
 
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On a side note, I just won 100 bucks on a scratch-off ticket. I never play the lottery, but asked for 2 $1 tickets on a whim and BOOM
 
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vol66 said:
Okay. You asked, you got a "like" for "Do tell"...

"What a waste of all this talent." I read that one a lot, I guess you do as well.

Maymon, Richardson, Stokes, McRae, and Barton are all juniors and seniors. In and of itself, it's not a big deal I don't suppose. Every single one of those guys was eligible for the NBA draft...last off season.

Maymon was hurt and missed the season, Barton wasn't starting for Memphis, so there's an explanation for why they weren't drafted I guess. Speaking of those two...have they lived up to their billing this season?

I digress...that leaves us with Richardson, Stokes and McRae. Why aren't they already in the NBA? I mean with all this talent...

"Great players make great plays."

When Stokes stepped to the line with .8 seconds left today, "Great players make great plays", I thought. Uh...I certainly can't blame the coach for that one.

So, just to cut to the chase...I don't think the players, collectively, are as good as many of you think they are. I also think there is a chemistry issue and with a young team, maybe a coach can fix that. With a group like this, I'm not sure even a guy like Calipari could fix it...maybe that's a reason he likes the one and done'rs.

Upside. Martin is a very inexperienced coach compared to the majority of coaches in this league. He hasn't won as many games as I would like. I'm sure he's made mistakes, I'm sure he's learning as he goes and I realize that there are those that think that is unacceptable at UT. I've seen a coach in his first year that would NOT abandon man to man defense, for example, change course over the last two years. Maybe, that's too slow for some, I understand that.

Stokes, Richardson and McRae have all become better in areas that were clear deficiencies earlier on in their careers. Maybe that's all them and has nothing to do with coaching. I would disagree with that, but...

When you look at Martin's winning % versus the rest of the league, he sits beneath Calipari and Donovan and ahead of the rest DESPITE his lack of experience AND that includes the assistants sitting there too. I'll give Martin ALL of the blame for that...he could use a more experienced coach/recruiter imo.

Mostly, as I've said previously...Martin is the coach we have now and he has games left to coach. I'm going to support the coach and the players. When the season is over, tourney or not, someone will make a decision about the basketball program. I'm not going to spend the next couple weeks fretting over something I can't control.
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It is all relative. Being the third best coach in the SEC can still mean you are a bad basketball coach. The SEC is just terrible and has been the last few years outside UK and Florida.

I can't believe you are really going for the "why aren't they in the NBA" argument. Only about 40 players get drafted from college in a given year, the rest come from Europe. You don't need any NBA talent to be successful in the NCAA. A team makes the final four every year that doesn't have a single player drafted. There are countless examples of teams with 0 NBA talent that compete for championships year in and out.
 
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omghulkhands said:
It is all relative. Being the third best coach in the SEC can still mean you are a bad basketball coach. The SEC is just terrible and has been the last few years outside UK and Florida.

I can't believe you are really going for the "why aren't they in the NBA" argument. Only about 40 players get drafted from college in a given year, the rest come from Europe. You don't need any NBA talent to be successful in the NCAA. A team makes the final four every year that doesn't have a single player drafted. There are countless examples of teams with 0 NBA talent that compete for championships year in and out.
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You are right that it is relative, I may not be the most knowledgeable fan. There are several coaches currently in the SEC that many would have liked better than the hire of Martin, Anthony Grant for one.

I would venture to say that no current SEC coach (Donovan, Calipari excluded) will be on the next list.

The NBA thing is hyperbole, but listen to the way people talk about the talent. Like we out class everyone. When we had UF here at home radio analysts ranged from good chance to great chance..."based on what", I kept thinking. UF was a top 5 team, they'd already whipped us good.

Does Richardson get any blame today, I mean...defensively...

Again, I simply answered to "are there any Cuonzo supporters left"...My vote ain't gonna matter.
 
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omghulkhands said:
It is all relative. Being the third best coach in the SEC can still mean you are a bad basketball coach. The SEC is just terrible and has been the last few years outside UK and Florida.

I can't believe you are really going for the "why aren't they in the NBA" argument. Only about 40 players get drafted from college in a given year, the rest come from Europe. You don't need any NBA talent to be successful in the NCAA. A team makes the final four every year that doesn't have a single player drafted. There are countless examples of teams with 0 NBA talent that compete for championships year in and out.
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This is in response to your statement about making the Final Four without NBA talent and is in no way in support of Martin. But I don't think your statement is correct about a team making the Final Four every year without NBA talent. I think it is pretty clear over the last 10-15 years that most teams that make the Final Four have guys who go on to the NBA. VCU, George Mason, maybe the second Butler team are exceptions, not the rule. Last year, UL, Syracuse, and Michigan all had players drafted, and WSU still has Early and Baker on the roster. You can go back for the previous years and will find most have the talent. Now, is that to say that this UT team couldn't make the tournament and win a couple of games? No. But this team did not have Final Four talent- not even close.
 
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#73
No. I'm done. It's just become such a laugh-fest it is very hard to watch and I really feel bad for the kids.:eek:lol:
Moving on....!:cray:
GO VOLS!
 
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#74
I support him as long as he is UT's coach. But hopefully this is his last season as UT's coach.
 
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