Are UF and LSU about to kill their programs?

[K-town Vol Fan]

Something I was thinking about. Are these programs holding their coaches to such a high standard that it is impossible to meet or exceed? And thus creating a situation where its going to be very difficult for them to find a good coach to come there and succeed.

Mullen is 33-14 at UF and just 1 year removed from an SEC east title.

Ed O is 49-18 and just 2 years removed from a NC.

It just seems to me there aren't many coaches who are going to be willing to go to a school where if you don't win a NC every 3 years or a conference title every year then you're on the hot seat.

Personally I think both schools are making a mistake, especially UF. I dont think they are going to do much better than Mullen. I love Huepel but I would still take Mullen over him.

 

[Lawrence Wright]

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[Remy]

Both schools have a history of being very quick to terminate coaches, even quicker than we do and we're fast. So this is not new for either of them. Also, contrary to what their fan bases think, both have a history much like we do where they tend hire up and coming type coaches and not names. For every Zook there is a Spurrier and for every DiNardo there is a Saban. Like Auburn they hire and fire quickly, we conversely rarely fire quickly enough.

 

[VolnJC]

Not sure about destroying their programs cause I think there will be plenty of interested candidates...but I also think both are really good coaches too

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Both schools have a history of being very quick to terminate coaches, even quicker than we do and we're fast.

Seems like Miles and Spurrier were there for ages but it probably wasn't that long

 

[lawgator1]

Mullen has another year. We aren't about to do anything.

However to your larger point, I say good. Damn straight we are holding our coaches to a high standard.

The second you don't, you become.. cough cough ... Tennessee.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

Mullen has another year. We aren't about to do anything.

However to your larger point, I say good. Damn straight we are holding our coaches to a high standard.

The second you don't, you become.. cough cough ... Tennessee.

Time will tell my friend

 

[Zues1]

Things go in cycles my Florida friends, and will circle back again.
Galen Hall comes to mind.

 

[BAMA-DAWG]

Not sure about destroying their programs cause I think there will be plenty of interested candidates...but I also think both are really good coaches too

Mullen, dont really like the dude, but hes probly a decent coach, all things considered.
Coach O? Come on man. I love him, but hes in W-A-A-A-Y over his head. That, and the fact that hes made more than a few boneheaded decisions in his personal life since the Natty. He really thought his girlfriends kids could workout with the team? That said, I'd love to have him on staff, just not the CEO.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Mullen has another year. We aren't about to do anything.

However to your larger point, I say good. Damn straight we are holding our coaches to a high standard.

The second you don't, you become.. cough cough ... Tennessee.

Go EAD!

 

[wmcovol]

Mullen has another year. We aren't about to do anything.

However to your larger point, I say good. Damn straight we are holding our coaches to a high standard.

The second you don't, you become.. cough cough ... Tennessee.

It’s sucks as a Vol fan to admit it but Tennessee tolerates mediocrity much more than Florida. Zook & Muschamp would have got 5 yrs here. mcElwain would still be here waving those 2 SEC East banners from 5 yrs ago.

 

[stolitonic]

Football coaches-and especially those at the level to be considered by UF, LSU, or even Tennessee are pretty confident. By that, I mean that every one of them-from Saban to the guy coaching at Amarillo Tech believe deep down in their heart that if they could only step into a perfect situation, they would win a natty every year.

The Tigahs or Gatahs would have no issues finding a coach.

 

[508mikey]

Something I was thinking about. Are these programs holding their coaches to such a high standard that it is impossible to meet or exceed? And thus creating a situation where its going to be very difficult for them to find a good coach to come there and succeed.

Mullen is 33-14 at UF and just 1 year removed from an SEC east title.

Ed O is 49-18 and just 2 years removed from a NC.

It just seems to me there aren't many coaches who are going to be willing to go to a school where if you don't win a NC every 3 years or a conference title every year then you're on the hot seat.

Personally I think both schools are making a mistake, especially UF. I dont think they are going to do much better than Mullen. I love Huepel but I would still take Mullen over him.

LSU had no choice - it was that Title 9 crap that did in O

 

[onevol74]

Fulmer is available.

 

[House of Neyland]

If not for the McDonald’s bags Pruitt would still be on the sideline right now with Fulmer as AD still saying we are back. Tennessee has incredibly low standards much more than Florida and LSU

 

[House of Neyland]

It’s sucks as a Vol fan to admit it but Tennessee tolerates mediocrity much more than Florida. Zook & Muschamp would have got 5 yrs here. mcElwain would still be here waving those 2 SEC East banners from 5 yrs ago.

. You know it!

 

[MurphyVol]

Ed O was never going to replicate his success from a couple years ago, he's Gene Chizik 2.0. If LSU finds the right coach, they're the next Clemson/Bama program.


I think LSU is the best job in America and they deserve a lot better than Coach O.

Mullen won 21 games his first two seasons at UF, surely his seat isn't too hot??

 

[RDU VOL#14]

Ed O was never going to replicate his success from a couple years ago, he's Gene Chizik 2.0. If LSU finds the right coach, they're the next Clemson/Bama program.


I think LSU is the best job in America and they deserve a lot better than Coach O.

Mullen won 21 games his first two seasons at UF, surely his seat isn't too hot??

If I were making an argument to show how important Quarterback play is to being successful, Cam and Joe Burrow would be example 1 and 1A.

 

[CAVPUT]

Given our history with firing coaches since PF, I'm not sure I like the road this thread is on.

 

[sanefan]

If I were making an argument to show how important Quarterback play is to being successful, Cam and Joe Burrow would be example 1 and 1A.

Hmmm. Overall record versus current trajectory as a component of a coaching evaluation?

Mullen is not getting fired for his record and I don't think that happens this year anyway. If he eventually gets fired its because of his attitude and off field issues, including recruiting. Trajectory just affects timing and confirms the decision.

Orgeron is the same. Not recruiting but trajectory is an issue and many off field issues.

We made trajectory decisions with Fulmer. That decision was right, just not many since.

Now Patterson at TCU is all about trajectory. It is only the right decision if the it is coupled with the right decision on the next coach. The same everywhere.

 

[AllVols]

Something I was thinking about. Are these programs holding their coaches to such a high standard that it is impossible to meet or exceed? And thus creating a situation where its going to be very difficult for them to find a good coach to come there and succeed.

Mullen is 33-14 at UF and just 1 year removed from an SEC east title.

Ed O is 49-18 and just 2 years removed from a NC.

It just seems to me there aren't many coaches who are going to be willing to go to a school where if you don't win a NC every 3 years or a conference title every year then you're on the hot seat.

Personally I think both schools are making a mistake, especially UF. I dont think they are going to do much better than Mullen. I love Huepel but I would still take Mullen over him.

Fingers crossed. I hope buba crashes ad burns as well.

 

[peaygolf]

If not for the McDonald’s bags Pruitt would still be on the sideline right now with Fulmer as AD still saying we are back. Tennessee has incredibly low standards much more than Florida and LSU

Lower standards? I don't think so.

UT just has a smaller/lesser talent pool to choose from.

 

[Firebirdparts]

Something I was thinking about. Are these programs holding their coaches to such a high standard that it is impossible to meet or exceed? And thus creating a situation where its going to be very difficult for them to find a good coach to come there and succeed.
.

Surely you're not just noticing this.

Since Saban went to Alabama, every coach in the SEC has been fired (I think); for the most part, the quality of football has gone down. It is what it is. And along with that, any not-very-good type guy filling a slot can make about $4 million a year. If you triple one guy's salary, you can pick the guy you want. If you triple every salary, nobody gets any say-so, and it doesn't make the people any smarter. You just pay 3X for the same quality of football. But then if you start churning on the carousel, you are paying 3X for worse football.

Entitlement football just sucks. Glad it's not my money. I suppose LSU must has fired more natty-winners than any other program. I don't suppose that was ever a statistic but it could be now.

 

[05_never_again]

Both schools have a history of being very quick to terminate coaches, even quicker than we do and we're fast. So this is not new for either of them. Also, contrary to what their fan bases think, both have a history much like we do where they tend hire up and coming type coaches and not names. For every Zook there is a Spurrier and for every DiNardo there is a Saban. Like Auburn they hire and fire quickly, we conversely rarely fire quickly enough.

Are we really too slow to fire coaches? We were criticized around the country for firing Fulmer ("you were in the SECCG just the year before!"). Dooley got his customary 3 years and was axed. Butch looked like he was turning the program around in 2015 and into 2016, but after the 2016 season fell apart and 2017 started horribly he was canned. Pruitt was terrible in year 3 and was fired, especially once we found out we could probably do it for cause. Should any of those coaches have been fired before they actually were? Of course in hindsight you would have fired Butch after 2016, or Pruitt after 2019, but given what we knew at the time did any of them stick around too long?

LSU and their fans get made fun of nationally for being too impatient with coaches, but don't they have a right to be? That might be the best job in the country as far as plug and play. The last 3 coaches there have won national championships, and the last 2 coaches they've had I don't even consider to be great coaches. It seems like any halfway decent coach can win at the highest level there. Louisiana, especially for a small state, puts out a ton of football talent, most of which stays in-state, and they don't have to fight an in-state rival for it. Yes, they play in a very tough division, but they've shown they can win at the highest level in it. They are the most successful football program nationally not named Alabama since 2000 - better than Ohio St, Oklahoma, etc.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Are we really too slow to fire coaches? We were criticized around the country for firing Fulmer ("you were in the SECCG just the year before!"). Dooley got his customary 3 years and was axed. Butch looked like he was turning the program around in 2015 and into 2016, but after the 2016 season fell apart and 2017 started horribly he was canned. Pruitt was terrible in year 3 and was fired, especially once we found out we could probably do it for cause. Should any of those coaches have been fired before they actually were? Of course in hindsight you would have fired Butch after 2016, or Pruitt after 2019, but given what we knew at the time did any of them stick around too long?

LSU and their fans get made fun of nationally for being too impatient with coaches, but don't they have a right to be? That might be the best job in the country as far as plug and play. The last 3 coaches there have won national championships, and the last 2 coaches they've had I don't even consider to be great coaches. It seems like any halfway decent coach can win at the highest level there. Louisiana, especially for a small state, puts out a ton of football talent, most of which stays in-state, and they don't have to fight an in-state rival for it. Yes, they play in a very tough division, but they've shown they can win at the highest level in it. They are the most successful football program nationally not named Alabama since 2000 - better than Ohio St, Oklahoma, etc.

TN should have been criticized more for hiring horrendous athletic directors. Those piss poor hires after Dickey were crushing blows to the program. I do feel confident that Danny White will do great things here.