Are we headed for a double dip? Or worse?

[lawgator1]

Market Report - Aug. 4, 2011 - CNNMoney

"Total fear" in the markets. If the unemployment number is for the third month in a row worse than expected, what happens tomorrow morning?

 

[golfballs]

bloodshed

 

[IPorange]

We're already in a double dip, it seems.

 

[hohenfelsvol]

New line of Obama mints to celebrate the success of the Stimuless package

 

[golfballs]

We're already in a double dip, it seems.

it seems like we never escaped

 

[lawgator1]

it seems like we never escaped

That might be more accurate. The stimulus money and other similar artificial stuff just made it look like things were better.

Demand remains soft in all but luxury goods. Weird since large corporations, like auto manufacturers, etc., are reporting impressive profits left and right.

 

[IPorange]

That might be more accurate. The stimulus money and other similar artificial stuff just made it look like things were better.

Demand remains soft in all but luxury goods. Weird since large corporations, like auto manufacturers, etc., are reporting impressive profits left and right.

If you want to paint the wealthy as the bad guys, go for it. It really doesn't matter to me at this point. Obama ran on a platform of fixing the economy and "creating jobs", whatever that means. He has failed.

 

[JTrainDavis]

The Sounds of Revolution!!!!!:dance2:

 

[fl0at]

The Sounds of Revolution!!!!!:dance2:

Can we pick teams this time?

 

[volinreallife]

I am going to run for president.

 

[lawgator1]

If you want to paint the wealthy as the bad guys, go for it. It really doesn't matter to me at this point. Obama ran on a platform of fixing the economy and "creating jobs", whatever that means. He has failed.

I'm not saying that they are "bad guys." I'm just saying that the demand side of things is kind of steady and has been solid in certain areas, and there's just a ton of money sitting on the sidelines and we have to figure out a way to get that money into expansion. Offices here in Orlando sit empty but the top end restaurants are packed, the whole thing is just so discordant.

 

[JTrainDavis]

Can we pick teams this time?

As the only other Ranger fan on the board, I'll draft you. I'm going to take Gibbs 1st and hope I can move him to LG for picks.

 

[tigervol9802]

I'm not saying that they are "bad guys." I'm just saying that the demand side of things is kind of steady and has been solid in certain areas, and there's just a ton of money sitting on the sidelines and we have to figure out a way to get that money into expansion. Offices here in Orlando sit empty but the top end restaurants are packed, the whole thing is just so discordant.

There is absolutely no certainty in the marketplace right now. Risk is too high across the board.

As I've said before, all DC has to do is lock in dividend and cap gain rates at 15% for a while and money would come off the sidelines. Not all of it, but more would.

Truth be told it just might get Obama reelected.

 

[golfballs]

There is absolutely no certainty in the marketplace right now. Risk is too high across the board.

As I've said before, all DC has to do is lock in dividend and cap gain rates at 15% for a while and money would come off the sidelines. Not all of it, but more would.

Truth be told it just might get Obama reelected.

Except he wants to raise taxes. He is a ****ing idiot.

 

[lawgator1]

There is absolutely no certainty in the marketplace right now. Risk is too high across the board.

As I've said before, all DC has to do is lock in dividend and cap gain rates at 15% for a while and money would come off the sidelines. Not all of it, but more would.

Truth be told it just might get Obama reelected.

We are talking about different things You are saying investment capital for equities would jump in with a lower rate. I'm talking about the huge warchests have amassed but won't use to hire or build.


How do we get them to hire people and expand ?
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[golfballs]

We are talking about different things You are saying investment capital for equities would jump in with a lower rate. I'm talking about the huge warchests have amassed but won't use to hire or build.


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Reasonable people are not putting money on the line in this climate. Why the hell should they? Because Obama wants them to?

 

[tigervol9802]

We are talking about different things You are saying investment capital for equities would jump in with a lower rate. I'm talking about the huge warchests have amassed but won't use to hire or build.


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You lock in cap gain rates as 15% and people will be a tad bit more motivated to have more initial capital outlay. I don't know what else to tell you.

 

[tigervol9802]

Reasonable people are not putting money on the line in this climate. Why the hell should they? Because Obama wants them to?

"Create jobs! Hire people! And when you do I'm going to tax you to kingdom-come!"

 

[Daddy Gee]

:lol: 'pay your fair share'

we're watching our future unfold before our eyes in europe

 

[MG1968]

We are talking about different things You are saying investment capital for equities would jump in with a lower rate. I'm talking about the huge warchests have amassed but won't use to hire or build.


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repeal Dodd-Frank for one thing. 2700 pages of new lending regulations has put a wet blanket on job growth.

end the NLRB's lawsuit against Boeing. Nothing says you're against job creation like suing a company that actually wants to create American jobs, just not union jobs.

 

[golfballs]

repeal Dodd-Frank for one thing. 2700 pages of new lending regulations has put a wet blanket on job growth.

end the NLRB's lawsuit against Boeing. Nothing says you're against job creation like suing a company that actually wants to create American jobs, just not union jobs.

it's indefensible and utterly incomprehensible! i'd like for LG to tell me otherwise.

 

[lawgator1]

Reasonable people are not putting money on the line in this climate. Why the hell should they? Because Obama wants them to?

I'm saying that whatever impediment there is to putting the money to work currently outweighs the perceived benefit of doing so.

All political rhetoric aside, what specifically do we need to do to get the money back in play?

repeal Dodd-Frank for one thing. 2700 pages of new lending regulations has put a wet blanket on job growth.

end the NLRB's lawsuit against Boeing. Nothing says you're against job creation like suing a company that actually wants to create American jobs, just not union jobs.

Ok, here are some specifics. Thank you for that. Can you outline the argument as to both?

 

[mtt2d]

I wonder how many jobs today's stock market plunge takes with it?

 

[golfballs]

I'm saying that whatever impediment there is to putting the money to work currently outweighs the perceived benefit of doing so.

All political rhetoric aside, what specifically do we need to do to get the money back in play?





Ok, here are some specifics. Thank you for that. Can you outline the argument as to both?

As you can tell by the Republican contingent in the house, Obama has zero chance of passing another spending stimulus. The only stimulus he has a chance of passing are tax cuts.

 

[lawgator1]

I wonder how many jobs today's stock market plunge takes with it?

I am starting to wonder if there is any correlation at all, to tell you the truth. We had plenty of gain for the year (through last night, even) and unemployment ticked up slightly.