Are We One Year Behind Ole Miss?

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GoBigOrangeUT said:
Honestly, I think our ceiling is way higher than Ole Miss. They have always been an up and down program and have really never consistently been at the top of the SEC. They usually have 2-3 good years then fade back. Tennessee generally spends at least a decade at the top before fading back.
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No doubt our ceiling is much higher than theirs. We are traditionally a college football power house while they have a good team from time to time. To the original question... Yes I believe we are about a year behind them as far as overall talent on the roster thanks to that huge class they hauled in two years ago. I still can't help but wonder if they did, or are still doing things legit in recruiting.
 
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Not even close ! Ole Miss hasnt even come close to being tested yet. Their weaknesses will be exposed once they play real SEC teams.....not candy.
 
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I think the shine has worn off a little for Ole Miss. They caught lightening in a bottle a couple of years ago with their recruiting class (family ties sure helped) and give them credit for getting the local Ole Miss community in Memphis to "adopt" the Richmonds. Freeze has done a great job but I agree with the earlier poster that they just aren't going to be able to compete for the SEC West title before UT will be able to compete for the East title.

Btw, Richmond's (a 5* recruit) decision propels Ole Miss all the way up the Rivals rankings to only #48. Richmond did say he was going to recruit Phillips et al. so we need to lock a few guys down (if Butch hasn't done so already).
 
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1972 Grad said:
That depends on your frame of reference. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, Ole Miss was at or near the top of college football.

They won 6 SEC titles in 17 years, 3 Natl Champs, and had the 2nd best overall record (behind Okla) in the decade of the 50's, and the 4th best overall record in college football in the 1960's. All of this was under Johnny Vaught. I also remember them dismantling a highly ranked U.T. team when I was a student in 1969 ( I think) 38-0.

So, it has been awhile, but they were consistently at the top of the SEC for about 20 years. For comparison, U.T. has only had about 15-20 years near the top in the last 40.
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You are correct. The MULE game is something I try to forget, but it keeps reappearing. I also remember when games with Vandy and Uk were always highly contested games. The Bear has some really good teams at Kentucky.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, it has been awhile, but they were consistently at the top of the SEC for about 20 years. For comparison, U.T. has only had about 15-20 years near the top in the last 40.
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I am aware that Ole Miss had a period of success at one time approximately 50-60 years ago. But Tennessee has always been more successful in every period throughout history. To say Tennessee has ONLY had 15-20 years at the top in the last 40 is completely incorrect. However, it would be correct to say Ole Miss has only had about 8 years near the middle of the SEC since 1970. Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky are the only SEC team who has never been to a SEC championship (not including the newbys).
 
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jacobyvoln27 said:
Back to back weeks of should have beat Ga and beating SC is baby steps sorry oregonvol I disagree! I was at both games and saw a change in this program right then! Ps the Ga game was when I met Preston and that is what I believed made him all Vawls!
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Yeah, we'll have to disagree. Almost beating Georgia doesn't really mean anything to me. Dooley almost had alot of wins and he's the worst coach in the history of the program. But, I will agree that the South Carolina win was a big step forward. I was filled with hope after that win. But it was sort of a "big step forward, several steps back" when it was followed by 3 blowout losses and then a loss at home to Vanderbilt. In order to climb out of this hole, we need big steps (plural), one after the other. That's what you usually see when you see coaches make big turnarounds in programs. There's usually a big jump in the wins and loss record in the first year or two.
 
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1972 Grad said:
That depends on your frame of reference. When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's, Ole Miss was at or near the top of college football.

They won 6 SEC titles in 17 years, 3 Natl Champs, and had the 2nd best overall record (behind Okla) in the decade of the 50's, and the 4th best overall record in college football in the 1960's. All of this was under Johnny Vaught. I also remember them dismantling a highly ranked U.T. team when I was a student in 1969 ( I think) 38-0.

So, it has been awhile, but they were consistently at the top of the SEC for about 20 years. For comparison, U.T. has only had about 15-20 years near the top in the last 40.
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You're right 1972, Ol' Miss was a very good team at one point. That 38-0 game, if I recall correctly, was the "Archie who" game that Steve Kiner told the media.
 
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VolnJC said:
Rewatched the Ole Miss dismantling of Candy again last night. I know they had a great class two years ago. Could we be where they are this year (top 20 team) next year or are they they much more talented?
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No. We will beat Vandy like that this year. Which doesn't say anymore or less about the talent at Ole Miss and Tennessee and says everything about the lack of skill in Vandy.
 
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biggestvols said:
You are out of your mind!! Your post is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. Tennessee has been, at all times, throughout all football history better than Ole Miss.

Tennessee has won 6 National Championships 38, 40, 50, 51, 67, 98. Tennessee has won 16 Conference titles. Tennessee has had 38 All-Americans. Tennessee's all time record is 863-361-53.

Ole Miss has only had 6 conference titles. That means we have won the National Championship as many times as they won the SEC. They have only won 3 National Championships and have only 11 All-Americans. Ole Miss all time record is 637-497-35.

There has never been a 20 year period in which Ole Miss has won more games than Tennessee. Head to head, Tennessee is 43-18-1. The only thing Ole Miss football does better than Tennessee is lose football games.

Next year, the team with the better QB will be the better team. Both teams will be replacing their QB. We will be comparable or better in talent across the board.
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I'm sure you think College football begins and ends with UT but "back in the day" Ole Miss was a power-house.

From 1951-1970 (20 seasons) UT's record was 139-63-10 while Ole Miss' record was 159-45-11.
 
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jacobyvoln27 said:
Back to back weeks of should have beat Ga and beating SC is baby steps sorry oregonvol I disagree! I was at both games and saw a change in this program right then! Ps the Ga game was when I met Preston and that is what I believed made him all Vawls!
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What change did you see in the program? Where were those changes against Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, and Vandy?
 
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Boca Vol said:
What change did you see in the program? Where were those changes against Bama, Auburn, Mizzou, and Vandy?
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It broke its thumb. We still lose 2 or 3 games with Worley but we would have beat Vandy. Dobbs did his best but he was a true freshman that was not ready to start, period.
 
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biggestvols said:
You are out of your mind!! Your post is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. Tennessee has been, at all times, throughout all football history better than Ole Miss.

Tennessee has won 6 National Championships 38, 40, 50, 51, 67, 98. Tennessee has won 16 Conference titles. Tennessee has had 38 All-Americans. Tennessee's all time record is 863-361-53.

Ole Miss has only had 6 conference titles. That means we have won the National Championship as many times as they won the SEC. They have only won 3 National Championships and have only 11 All-Americans. Ole Miss all time record is 637-497-35.

There has never been a 20 year period in which Ole Miss has won more games than Tennessee. Head to head, Tennessee is 43-18-1. The only thing Ole Miss football does better than Tennessee is lose football games.

Next year, the team with the better QB will be the better team. Both teams will be replacing their QB. We will be comparable or better in talent across the board.
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Good post. But we don't have 863 wins alltime. It's 806 iirc.
 
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biggestvols said:
I am aware that Ole Miss had a period of success at one time approximately 50-60 years ago. But Tennessee has always been more successful in every period throughout history. To say Tennessee has ONLY had 15-20 years at the top in the last 40 is completely incorrect. However, it would be correct to say Ole Miss has only had about 8 years near the middle of the SEC since 1970. Ole Miss, Vandy and Kentucky are the only SEC team who has never been to a SEC championship (not including the newbys).
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You must have a different way to determine what "at the top" means to you.

If I added correctly, Tennessee has played 486 games in the last 40 years for an average of 12.15 games per year. They have won more 8 or more games in a season 20 times. They have won 7 or less 20 times. They have won 9 or more games 16 times. I consider this to be "near the top."

I don't consider only having 7 wins in a 11 or 12 or even 13 game season to be at the top. We have done this exactly one of every two seasons in the last 40 years. I personally don't consider these facts to be "completely incorrect" as you say.
 
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LittleCat said:
I don't think that was the argument the poster was trying to make. His point was that ole miss does have some credibility behind the program, and that success is in the history, albeit very long ago. UT is certainly a more relevant team in the last 40 or so years, but both programs have had periods of sustained success.
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Thank you. That was exactly the point that I was trying to make. The poster is either too young to remember Ole Miss football as I remember it, or he has a very poor memory.
 
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Boca Vol said:
I'm sure you think College football begins and ends with UT but "back in the day" Ole Miss was a power-house.

From 1951-1970 (20 seasons) UT's record was 139-63-10 while Ole Miss' record was 159-45-11.
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Thank you for setting biggestvols straight on his statement that there has never been a 20 year period in which Ole Miss had a better record than U.T. He said that I was "out of my mind." Not yet, just old enough to know that there was football before he was born.
 
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VolnJC said:
Rewatched the Ole Miss dismantling of Candy again last night. I know they had a great class two years ago. Could we be where they are this year (top 20 team) next year or are they they much more talented?
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Obviously we'll know more later in the season, but if you are asking right now, I'd agree that we're a year behind... maybe more.

Honestly, I really like this team except the O-Line, which I think will be our Achilles heel this season.
 
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volfanstuckinga said:
I am not sure how far we are behind them....but I will say this...our road to Atlanta is much shorter. We are 2-3 years away from being able to consistently compete for the East. Does ANYONE see them EVER getting to Atlanta with Bama, Auburn, LSU, and A&M? Which is one more reason I don't understand Richmond committing to them today. I guess title potential doesn't mean as much to some.
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This is a great point. Ole Miss will never be better than # 4 in the West behind Alabama, Auburn and A&M (as long as those teams keep their three coaches), and will likely remain behind LSU as well. The SEC East, by contrast, is wide open for the taking. Spurrier already looks and sounds burned out in South Carolina, which should return to mediocrity once he moves on. Gary Pinkel's a great coach, but he's also old and won't be able to recruit to keep Missouri competitive for much longer. Georgia and Florida are the wild cards, but their coaches are chronic underachievers who don't inspire any kind of long-term confidence. Tennessee is the only team in the East with a dynamic YOUNG coach with a powerful program on an upward trajectory.

The one thing you got wrong was saying we're still 2-3 years away. I think our team is "competitive" now, and might be favored to win the SEC East next season.
 
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I commend Freeze on what he's been able to do.
But if anyone thinks he isn't out of there at the first opportunity guess again. (See James Franklin) What he's done will command interest from higher profile jobs.
Parity in the league won't last.
We know UT can be a top team in its division and the league and sustain that over a decade. Does anyone think Ole Miss can sustain as a top team in the West? Right now they are 5th behind A&M, LSU, Barn and Bama.
Hey, these recruits are buying it and I think they are foolish. Enjoy, cause I think CHF is gone after this year.
I think OM was in better shape overall when CHF took over compared to what CBJ inherited.
 
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Stevorino said:
Obviously we'll know more later in the season, but if you are asking right now, I'd agree that we're a year behind... maybe more.

Honestly, I really like this team except the O-Line, which I think will be our Achilles heel this season.
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I think the oline is the only thing keeping us behind alot of teams. and its going to make this rebuild take alot longer than normal. We should have a solid crop of senior and junior linemen but we have squat for depth and experience at one of the most if not THE most crucial position in the sec. Thanks again dooley
 
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Roustabout said:
I commend Freeze on what he's been able to do.
But if anyone thinks he isn't out of there at the first opportunity guess again. (See James Franklin) What he's done will command interest from higher profile jobs.
Parity in the league won't last.
We know UT can be a top team in its division and the league and sustain that over a decade. Does anyone think Ole Miss can sustain as a top team in the West? Right now they are 5th behind A&M, LSU, Barn and Bama.
Hey, these recruits are buying it and I think they are foolish. Enjoy, cause I think CHF is gone after this year.
I think OM was in better shape overall when CHF took over compared to what CBJ inherited.
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Since Freeze was born in Independence, Mississippi, went to high school in Mississippi, and played football at Southern Miss, where do you think that he will be off to "at the first opportunity?" Miss. State or Southern Miss?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Since Freeze was born in Independence, Mississippi, went to high school in Mississippi, and played football at Southern Miss, where do you think that he will be off to "at the first opportunity?" Miss. State or Southern Miss?
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Wait and see. Do you really think Ole Miss is a destination job? I don't care if his name is Hugh Jefferson Davis Freeze. It's Ole Miss.
 
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