Are winners always winners no matter where they are?

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Butch Jones record is 54-34. He has won two conference titles in each of the two conferences he has been a head coach in.

So given time with equal talent and experienced players within his system, he has proven he can win. Are we assuming that history is incorrect?
 
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With time, he may prove he can win at UT. At this time, he hasn't proven he won't.

It's pretty much that simple.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Butch Jones record is 54-34. He has won two conference titles in each of the two conferences he has been a head coach in.

So given time with equal talent and experienced players within his system, he has proven he can win. Are we assuming that history is incorrect?
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His record is correct
 
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History also shows his first year wasn't all that impressive but his next 2 are, and considering that's happening again with one of the hardest schedules and complete lack of talent on both sides of the ball there's really no way to judge him.

Same for our offensive coordinator, there's no way to tell how good of a job he can do until we get the players they need to execute the game plan. People need to calm down, the only numbers that matter right now is the recruiting class.

This staff is bringing in some major talent, for a 5-7 team last year, and it looks like we'll be 5-7 again this year, our recruiting efforts are phenomenal
 
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His record shows he has done it before. This year he has shown an ability to recruit in an elite fashion.

As for the future it's too early to say. I'd bet on him doing well though. Will he be elite like Saben? Don't know. I doubt he will suck.

The up side is if he can make us a top five program we will always be in the mix for a title with te play off coming.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Butch Jones record is 54-34. He has won two conference titles in each of the two conferences he has been a head coach in.

So given time with equal talent and experienced players within his system, he has proven he can win. Are we assuming that history is incorrect?
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That doesn't matter. We are UT and Butch should have given us a 8-3 record by now, even while starting a true freshman against top 10 teams in 3 of the last 4 games, and relying on talent like Swafford, Toney, and Arnold on defense........says the foolish on VN these days.
 
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DaddyChad said:
38-13 .745 taking out the first season at each school. That is cherry picking the numbers though, you could say.

Saban was 43-26-1 before landing at LSU.
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Not knocking Jones, but Saban took over fairly terrible situations at Toledo, MSU, and LSU. Jones did not walk into similar scenarios at CMU and Cincinnati.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not knocking Jones, but Saban took over fairly terrible situations at Toledo, MSU, and LSU. Jones did not walk into similar scenarios at CMU and Cincinnati.
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Much as I despise Saban he is the standard in college football. He had a mediocre to terrible start at Bama also losing to Louisana Monroe.
 
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Winning in college football requires a talented roster and quality coaching.

We don't have the former and whether we have the latter remains to be seen.
 
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DaddyChad said:
Much as I despise Saban he is the standard in college football. He had a mediocre to terrible start at Bama also losing to Louisana Monroe.
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Even then, Bama's 6 losses were all within a touchdown. Bama was much improved from '06 to '07, even if it was only a 1 game difference in the record book.
 
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bamawriter said:
Even then, Bama's 6 losses were all within a touchdown. Bama was much improved from '06 to '07, even if it was only a 1 game difference in the record book.
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I'm clueless about you guys talent situation at that point. I know ours is pretty pathetic now as we have several walkons, true freshmen, etc starting. How good would you say the talent was there at that time? I would say decent considering the record the following year.
 
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OP-Jones came behind a coach who had already established the program. Now, I know his first year at Cincy wasn't any better than here but he did have it already set to go. He hasn't proven any thing yet.
 
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DaddyChad said:
I'm clueless about you guys talent situation at that point. I know ours is pretty pathetic now as we have several walkons, true freshmen, etc starting. How good would you say the talent was there at that time? I would say decent considering the record the following year.
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Bama had no players taken in the '08 draft, but I think the overall talent was significantly better than what Jones had to deal with this year. Most importantly, Bama had a QB with an entire season under his belt. Shula was not a good in-game coach, but he didn't leave the cupboard bare.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
OP-Jones came behind a coach who had already established the program. Now, I know his first year at Cincy wasn't any better than here but he did have it already set to go. He hasn't proven any thing yet.
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You have to coach the game regardless of what someone else has done in the past. Now I'll agree rebuilding is different than walking into a stocked program but Jones has done nothing but recruit excellently when compared to his SEC peers.
 
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bamawriter said:
Bama had no players taken in the '08 draft, but I think the overall talent was significantly better than what Jones had to deal with this year. Most importantly, Bama had a QB with an entire season under his belt. Shula was not a good in-game coach, but he didn't leave the cupboard bare.
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UT's schedule is just freaking awful as well this season. I still think we have minimum at least a few more years before we're legit contenders.
 
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Maintaining a program's success is a different challenge than building or rebuilding a program, but it's still a challenge.

Just for perspective, look at Oregon under Helfrich. Talk about underachieving. Everything was in place for Oregon to play in the BCS championship game. Even though they lost to Stanford, Oregon was back in the driver's seat after USC beat Stanford. Then Oregon gets humiliated at Arizona. Now they're looking at going to a no-name bowl game.
 
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fade route said:
That doesn't matter. We are UT and Butch should have given us a 8-3 record by now, even while starting a true freshman against top 10 teams in 3 of the last 4 games, and relying on talent like Swafford, Toney, and Arnold on defense........says the foolish on VN these days.
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fade, I like you more and more each day. :hi:

You are a "like" whore, though. :) (kidding)
 
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