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therealitytheory said:
For quite some time our postseason results haven't mirrored our regular season successes. That needs to change in the next year or two...or our supply of McDonald All-Americans may begin to diminish. That would be bad.

No troll, no misogynist. '80 UT grad.
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Nailed it....
 
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Misogynist! :eek:lol:

Someone must have read a book, assigned during, their first semester at college. LOL!
 
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Yes Tennessee has not reached the standards set by Pat, however, give Holly her due, she has faced adversity and the team still wins. We still need to face reality, if Holly and the LV's make it to the final 4, and fails to win it all, there will still be complaints because the team failed to win a NC. If Holly, by hook or crook, wins a NC, there will be complaints because she was lucky or someone had an off night. Trolls will always exist and will always find ways to be critical. It is the nature of the beast.
 
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livefaith said:
Misogynist! :eek:lol:

Someone must have read a book, assigned during, their first semester at college. LOL!
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Maybe this is more your speed.

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teacherdean said:
Yes Tennessee has not reached the standards set by Pat, however, give Holly her due, she has faced adversity and the team still wins. We still need to face reality, if Holly and the LV's make it to the final 4, and fails to win it all, there will still be complaints because the team failed to win a NC. If Holly, by hook or crook, wins a NC, there will be complaints because she was lucky or someone had an off night. Trolls will always exist and will always find ways to be critical. It is the nature of the beast.
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Don't be one of those people.
 
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therealitytheory said:
Don't be one of those people.
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That is my plan. This is not to say that I will always agree with Holly, but I believe that she deserves praise when it is due. I doubt if many of us will complain if the LV's reach the final 4 or win a NC, but expect there to be some.
 
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It will again this season be very hard to make the final four. If were to make it Massengale has to stay hot shooting the three and Burdick has to keep making shots as well. We don't have the great post presence like most of the other top five teams. We'll make it if we keep shooting close to 50 percent and limit turnovers.
 
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(If you read this carefully you know where i stand)
The Lady Vol tradition is what drives this program former players have fought long and hard to build this program of what it is today. Say it with me Winning and doing it in easy fashion. The reason "Lady" Vol basketball is call "Lady Vol" today is because of that tradition alone. Recruiting at this traditional program should never be a problem as long as you keep the tradition alive and to do that you have to keep winning Period. The current and future prospects were not fortunate enough to witness it like i did the glory years when i watched the "Lady Vols" take the hearts out of the opponents and ran them off the court. So guess what you have to do continue to add to that tradition by Winning!

Now what kind of winning you ask?
The SEC is not a good measuring stick as we all know, we had 7-8 teams last year to make the NCAA tourney and guess what they all got hammered??????
So even though it is a stepping stone we must complete.
It does not determine if we had a good season or not.
The reason you will see recruiting decline is because...
They only remember what you do in March!
Which once again is what our tradition was built on look up in the rafters next time you in TBA.

So now that we are here some want to give the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt now "ahh we had a good season they did what they was suppose to do" Bologna What have they done??
They close out the regular season with a 30+ point win over Vandy which by the way we are suppose to beat the majority of the teams in this league by a 15-25+ margin nightly. Yes the talent gap is that wide but you would never know it.

I have a few questions of the 4 games we lost which one was we out manned??
2 of those we never made the right adjustments
The other 2, watch this cause i might leave some of you let's go play by play:
We down at UTC we draw up a play out of a timeout and for some strange reason the ball gets stuck in a players hands that looks like a deer in head lights ball game folks. Now how on earth did it come down to that situation in the first place is baffling.
(You put your players in situations that they will succeed in starting in practice over and over and over).
But hey you learn from your mistakes Nope not in this case we go down to SC now i haven't watched the full game yet so i don't know how we got to this point.

I rush in the house turn on the TV its like 17 or 20 seconds left we got another timeout we have the ball drawing up a play i be damned if we don't throw a low percentage pass with time running out that causes a turnover?? Once again ladies and gents ball game?? Why do we even call a timeout just let them play it out? Is that the best you come up with??? How/What/Why that's a thread in its self??

We win most of the games on talent alone period.

Now 25-4 is not a bad season by any fashion but why settle for 4 losses win you could have been 29-0!
I will not lower my standards for this program that was built on excellence for any of you. If the girls didn't want that for themselves and to win NC they would not have chose this place.

You point people in power to get the job done or up the ante in recruiting to disguise your weakness case in point we have Parker you don't lol. But to get them you have to keep winning it goes hand in hand.
WINNING is our TRADITION!

I here people talk as if it can't be done, keep settling its not gone be long before they come and take our name back lol!!

Please lets debate!
 
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Now 25-4 is not a bad season by any fashion but why settle for 4 losses win you could have been 29-0!
I will not lower my standards for this program that was built on excellence for any of you. If the girls didn't want that for themselves and to win NC they would not have chose this place.

You point people in power to get the job done or up the ante in recruiting to disguise your weakness case in point we have Parker you don't lol. But to get them you have to keep winning it goes hand in hand.
WINNING is our TRADITION!




sums it up...we are not trolls...we are just the few who will never settle for less than what many before have worked for and achieved!!! the Lady Vol basketball program should never settle for second best...much less a damn near decade of no final fours
 
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volbabyvol said:
(If you read this carefully you know where i stand)......
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I have been following the LVs a long time and they were far from the invincible machine you describe, with the exception of the undefeated Meek season.

A recurrent complaint against CPS teams was that they lacked offensive fluidity and that "the defense and rebounding" mantra was becoming less and less effective in the changing game. Of course, Candace Parker altered that narrative for a period of time.

But as I have pointed out numerous times, the LVs slipped during the last years of CPS's tenure (the final four drought began with her "baby vol" class).

I don't think you are a troll but someone who has not come to terms with the fact that there is more talent in the women's game and more teams who can attract top talent. The talent gap between teams in the upper half and lower half of the top 25 is no longer as wide as it once was.

Of the LVs 4 losses, 3 came against Texas (without Izzy), Notre Dame, and South Carolina (without Izzy) and all on the road. So, the LVs were clearly outmanned in the post against SC. And Notre Dame looks down at no one in the talent department. Texas has quality players and was red hot when the LVs played them and its shocking how they faded. But, it is better to be peaking in March-like the LVs--rather than January.

All this aside, the operating assumption is that with a different coach, the LVs would be 29-0. Given that no one is undefeated this year (except for low RPI Princeton) those are high expectations indeed. But this classic fan assumption-- a new coach will take us to the next level--often works out with the team moving to a lower level (e.g., Phil Fulmer to Dooley to Kiffin). With a different coach, the LVs could also be 18-12 or 21-8 like Kentucky who has the coach many have hailed as the one who could return the LVs to the promised land.

But I am glad you and Mastershake are not lowering your standards, "never settling for less" and deeming 4 losses and an SEC title to be unacceptable (Only NCs meet standard).

But, the LVs have lost 4 games, may or may not get to the final four, and winning a NC with UConn in the mix is looooow probability. So, what is your plan B, screaming at the TV set, posting "fire holly 1000 times" on this board, spanking all the players?

Per the talent equation, Holly has DeShields, Russell, Cooper, and Tucker waiting in the wings. I think a lot of coaches and fans at other programs would be very happy with that scenario.

Trust me, if the UT fired Holly after a 15-1 SEC co-championship season, plus her record from her first and second seasons, any right minded coach would be very leery of stepping into the role.
 
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madtownvol said:
A recurrent complaint against CPS teams was that they lacked offensive fluidity and that "the defense and rebounding" mantra was becoming less and less effective in the changing game.
I guarantee if you go back and read my post in CPS latter years you would find I disagreed then as well.
With all the resources that the program has why haven't we brought in a offensive specialist to address this deficiency?? Could pride be getting in the way here we are humans we all have downfalls. The first step is admitting we have issues.



Of course, Candace Parker altered that narrative for a period of time.

But as I have pointed out numerous times, the LVs slipped during the last year so CPS's tenure (the final four drought began with her "baby vol" class).

I don't think you are a troll but someone who has not come to terms with the fact that there is more talent in the women's game and more teams who can attract top talent. The talent gap between teams in the upper half and lower half of the top 25 is no longer as wide as it once was.

So where do we fall in the top 10? In or out and If In how many top 10 teams do we beat?

But the operating assumption is that with a different coach, the LVs would be 29-0. Given that no one is undefeated this year (except for low RPI Princeton) those are high expectations indeed. But this classic fan assumption-- a new coach will take us to the next level--often works out with the team moving to a lower level (e.g., Phil Fulmer to Dooley to Kiffin). With a different coach, the LVs could also be 18-12 or 21-8 like Kentucky with the coach many have hailed as the one who could return the LVs to the promised land.

I think people really just want to see adjustments made. It does not take a hellva coach to say this what we are doing is not working. The mistakes our players made in the beginning of the season they are still making them now. You the (coaching staff) see these players more than anybody, you have gauged their strengths and weaknesses put them in a position to succeed. I remember one game it was said that the players decide to go to a different defense that helped us win the game. Now how on earth could the staff not see some changes have to be made??

But I am glad you and Mastershake are not lowerning standards and "never settling for less" and deeming 4 losses and an SEC title to be unacceptable (Only NCs meet standard).

But, the LVs have lost 4 games, may or may not get to the final four, and winning a NC with UConn in the mix is looooow probability. So, what is your plan B, screaming at the TV set, posting "fire holly 1000 times" on this board, spanking all the players.
Plan B is strategic game planning to when these ball games, this would be the staffs job not asking for a miracle here.

Per the talent equation, she has DeShields, Russell, Cooper, and Tucker waiting in the wings. I think a lot of coaches and fans at other programs would be very happy with that scenario.

And we all know this is the type of talent that can disguise a few deficiencies the problem will occur when you run into a equal opponent and situations occur and you have to make adjustments, will they be made?? So far I have not seen them.

Trust me, if the UT fired Holly after a 15-1 SEC co-championship season, plus her record from her first and second seasons, any right minded coach would be very leery of stepping into the role.

Cuonzo Martin was ran out of town for going to the Elite 8his 3rd stint, so are we holding only a select few accountable here???
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This is all up for debate Please??
 
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I thought Warlick was over her head her first couple of years, but she and the staff have done a pretty good job this year. She's not been very good at getting us ready for the NCAA tourney, however: the louisville game was an embarrassment and we got manhandled by maryland last year.

Fewer injuries and weird situations would help. We sign the no. 1 prospect and she arrives with foot problems. We sign a talented player in Tucker--but she foolishly decides to live with her boyfriend while in high school, a bad situation develops--AND she show up with knee problems. We've had not one but two bad concussion situations in two years--Massengale misses half a year and Jones missed nearly all of this year (did anybody actually see her injury?). DeShields decides a year too late that she wants to be a Vol--and so has to sit out a year. And THEN we lose Harrison.

Can you imagine this team is DeShields had signed with us originally and we had a fully healthy team? We'd be LOADED and kicking UConn's a$$. We've got a good/very good team still but we're depleted--very little depth. It is sort of the way it has gone for a few years. Keep recruiting, Holly. I think we can go to the final four this year, if we keep shooting well.
 
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madtownvol said:
15-1 in the SEC and co-champions. Defeated Ky, GA. Vandy, and took SC to the wire on the road. The LVs and CWS did all this after losing their best player and main post threat. Plus, the team has been down Russell (#1 recruit in the country and a top ten recruits Jannah Tucker and the teams best all-round athlete and defensive stopped Jasmine Jones).

No excuses made: the LVs are in a good position to again be a #1 seed.

Yet, there are still [edited] naysayers who look for every possible reason to trash Holly. She falls on on ice and breaks her wrist. For some "fans", this is a cause for criticism (see she is an uncoordinated doofus); in the midst of a great end of the season run, the rant is now well, the sky is falling because the LVs fell to second in fan attendance (so Holly can't coach).

Fans can't really complain about poor shooting and offensive execution anymore so now the complaints about Holly are not even basketball related. It just WE DON"T LIKE HOLLY because........[wait for it] she is not as good as Geno.

Fine, go to the freakin' Boneyard and knock yourselves out singing Geno's praises. You will be so much happier and you won't look like TROLLS (who are not the least bit attractive). Don't be a LV troll. Don't keep your Geno-affections hidden in the closet. Come out and be who you really are instead of expressing your repressed frustration in misplaced Holly hate.

For the rest of us, we enjoyed a major beat down of Vandy, a record tying 3 pt shooting by Ariel on senior night; a great game from Burdick on senior night and a great farewell for Izzy plus the icing on the cake of a co-championship in the Sec. This was fantastic night for LV fans.

[Addendum: Per my original use of the term, "misogynist," of course, one can be a critic of Holly without being that. However, a subset of her perennial critics on this board only come on after losses, to cast dispersions toward Holly; lament the unfairness of Title IX and so forth. I think for that segment, they 1) enjoy seeing the women's program have set-backs and 2) don't like seeing women succeed in what they regard as a man's profession. ]
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Different standards for LV basketball. I've seen nothing to indicate that Holly is capable of sustaining the tradition in a meaningful way.
 
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