Arian Foster article in ESPN the Magazine

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Ironically its called "The Fiction Issue".

No real ground breaking info, but it just confirms that he's a strange bird. One thing that I found interesting was his lack of training, "he took his shirt off one day after the season and looked at his slightly doughy, 6'1", 230 lb frame, he knew he had to take his training up a notch." That's more telling to me of the S&C program while he was at UT.
One positive was while playing the Ravens, Ray Lewis grabbed his helmet and said, "I love the way you play this game, son!"
I'm glad he's about to get paid even though he caused me so much grief while he was in orange.
 
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It just seemed he fumbled at the worst times. He's one of my favorite Vols though
 
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bamacheats said:
Ironically its called "The Fiction Issue".

No real ground breaking info, but it just confirms that he's a strange bird. One thing that I found interesting was his lack of training, "he took his shirt off one day after the season and looked at his slightly doughy, 6'1", 230 lb frame, he knew he had to take his training up a notch." That's more telling to me of the S&C program while he was at UT.
One positive was while playing the Ravens, Ray Lewis grabbed his helmet and said, "I love the way you play this game, son!"
I'm glad he's about to get paid even though he caused me so much grief while he was in orange.
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:no: Probably has a lot more to do with genes, diet, and current workout than it did his workout regiment while he was at UT.
 
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nbakerld said:
:no: Probably has a lot more to do with genes, diet, and current workout than it did his workout regiment while he was at UT.
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Not really. But thanks for your constant uninformative argumentative posts.
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bamacheats said:
Not really. But thanks for your constant uninformative argumentative posts.
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You're just mad cause you got got.

And we're both argumentative. I don't know what's more uninformative: My posts with data that you don't like or your posts with pure opinion that you can't back up.
 
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nbakerld said:
You're just mad cause you got got.

And we're both argumentative. I don't know what's more uninformative: My posts with data that you don't like or your posts with pure opinion that you can't back up.
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Really! You're NBA "formula" is not data. You rip Melo as not a good player because of his fg % but Kobe's is worse. Get a grip man!

You obviously know even less about S&C than NBA basketball. Remind me again, what major program, college or pro, hired Johnny Long?
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bamacheats said:
Really! You're NBA "formula" is not data. You rip Melo as not a good player because of his fg % but Kobe's is worse. Get a grip man! [/i][/size]
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The formula is a model, but you can't construct that kind of model without data. It's not mine it was constructed by Phd statisticians.

League average on 2 pt FG's = 49%
League average on 3 pt FG = 35%

Kobe = .483 and .339
Melo = .478 and .311

That's career numbers, but if you look season by season, Kobe has had about 10 good seasons (of 14). Melo has had about 3 (of 8).

You see all that? That is data. You say stuff like, "He makes the TEAM better. I read a Nugget blog a couple of months ago that addressed this issue since critics readily point it out. Long story short, other players shooting % went up." but you can't back it up at all. That is uninformative. I read a blog that said Melo sucks and long story short, other players got worse. Saying stuff like "he makes the team better" is a total copout. You can't argue with stats so you say something that can't be proved or disproved.
 
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nbakerld said:
:no: Probably has a lot more to do with genes, diet, and current workout than it did his workout regiment while he was at UT.
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The S&C program was sub par the last few years under Fulmer.

I don't know why people would want to argue any different.
 
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nbakerld said:
The formula is a model, but you can't construct that kind of model without data. It's not mine it was constructed by Phd statisticians.

League average on 2 pt FG's = 49%
League average on 3 pt FG = 35%

Kobe = .483 and .339
Melo = .478 and .311

That's career numbers, but if you look season by season, Kobe has had about 10 good seasons (of 14). Melo has had about 3 (of 8).

You see all that? That is data. You say stuff like, "He makes the TEAM better. I read a Nugget blog a couple of months ago that addressed this issue since critics readily point it out. Long story short, other players shooting % went up." but you can't back it up at all. That is uninformative. I read a blog that said Melo sucks and long story short, other players got worse. Saying stuff like "he makes the team better" is a total copout. You can't argue with stats so you say something that can't be proved or disproved.
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You can post all the make believe Phd numbers that you want, bottom line is you're delusional. No one, especially anyone with a Phd in anything, thinks the Knicks regressed by adding Melo.
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nbakerld said:
I didn't argue that. I am arguing that it has nothing to do with what Arian Foster looks like 2 years later.
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Still delusional. It has a lot to do with what he looks like 2 years later. Johnny Long was a typical Fulmer hire, a joke. He never instilled any training regimen worthy of a college player, much less a pro. That's why he's out of the business and stealing money with his D1 ripoff.
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bamacheats said:
You can post all the make believe Phd numbers that you want, bottom line is you're delusional. No one, especially anyone with a Phd in anything, thinks the Knicks regressed by adding Melo.
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I don't think that I said the Knicks regressed. You can go back and find it and call me on it if I did. Happy hunting. I said that I'd rather have Chandler because there isn't much difference and you can pay Chandler a whole hell of a lot less. Berri (one of the minds behind the formula) says that Billups for Felton and Melo for Chandler makes the Knicks better by about 6 games per 82 (based on the way Melo and Billups are playing this year).

Interestingly Hollinger claims the trade makes New York worse. He's from the establishment, too. Stat geeks aren't the only ones.

"On one side, some so-called experts—generally analysts in the media—are championing the new-look Knicks as legitimate title contenders. Meanwhile, proponents of statistical analysis continue to rank Anthony among the NBA’s most overrated players." - Jared Diamond, WSJ

The Wages of Wins Journal | More Stories from The Wages of Wins and Stumbling on Wins

Does Adding Carmelo Anthony Mean Wins for Knicks? - WSJ.com

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/carmelo-anthony-deal-may-not-change-knick-fortunes-2011-02-22
 
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I've seen Chandler every game he wore a Knicks jersey. He is not even close to the same player as Melo. That is beyond stupidity!
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bamacheats said:
I've seen Chandler every game he wore a Knicks jersey. He is not even close to the same player as Melo. That is beyond stupidity!
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Your eyes lie to you. Don't trust them. You can watch a team for an entire season and you won't be able tell the difference between a 45% shooter and a 50% shooter without looking at the stat sheet. I know you think you are an excellent talent scout, but even the best can't tell. I know what you are saying. Melo looks cool when he scores so it makes us think he's a good scorer, but he's not.

Just answer this question. How can you be a good scorer while scoring at a below average rate? You would never consider a guy with a .250 batting average a good hitter. What on earth makes Melo a good scorer?
 
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bamacheats said:
Still delusional. It has a lot to do with what he looks like 2 years later. Johnny Long was a typical Fulmer hire, a joke. He never instilled any training regimen worthy of a college player, much less a pro. That's why he's out of the business and stealing money with his D1 ripoff.
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:yes:
 
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bamacheats said:
Really! You're NBA "formula" is not data. You rip Melo as not a good player because of his fg % but Kobe's is worse. Get a grip man!

You obviously know even less about S&C than NBA basketball. Remind me again, what major program, college or pro, hired Johnny Long?
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What's this have to do with Arian Foster?
 
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I never liked Foster. He was a solid college back and had a great year last season. I hope he has a successful pro career.
 
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Since when did S&C overcome genes as to how someone's physique looks? Training can only do so much. It's not like anybody can become Mr Universe no matter how much they train or what they put in their body. It all starts with what you're born with.
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govols/cc said:
Since when did S&C overcome genes as to how someone's physique looks? Training can only do so much. It's not like anybody can become Mr Universe no matter how much they train or what they put in their body. It all starts with what you're born with.
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Arian Foster is not a model, he's a running back.
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bamacheats said:
Arian Foster is not a model, he's a running back.
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Thanks for proving my point. Being a running back makes his physique even less of an issue. S&C is just what it says.
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govols/cc said:
Thanks for proving my point. Being a running back makes his physique even less of an issue. S&C is just what it says.
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Your point? What point? I say he's not a model (which means looks are not important because looks are everything to a model, even though none of them workout because, after all, its only about the genes) but he's a running back (which means he needs all the stamina and speed that he can build, which is not genetics, its hard work) but that proves your point that his S&C has little to do with his appearance?

You need to call Arian pronto cause he's wasting a ton of money and time researching and implementing a new S&C program so that he can excel at his job. I bet he's gonna be furious when he finds out its his mom's fault for passing along those genes.

Or just read the article.
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You act like he never worked out until he left Tennessee & any program he was in while in college was worthless. If you don't think speed is genetic you're kidding yourself. He can train all he wants but he'll never run a 4.2 forty. Everybody has ceiling on their physical potential & that's just a fact of life. Training just maximizes your abilities.
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A Johnny Long regimen is as close as you can get to not working out in college.

Phil constantly got hammered in recruiting because Long was a joke and Phil did nothing about it.

Science has already shown you can lower your 40 time by the angle of your torso. That's got zero to do with strength or genetics, its based soley on education. The most impressive thing about Mckeefrey is his constant appetite for knowledge.
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