Arizona Election Audit

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NCFisher said:
Not remotely, but many will. Those that choose to carry on do so in spite of the facts established by THEIR guys. That's as good as it ever gets, as evidenced by a majority of Dems convinced that Russia changed vote tallies to elect Trump. Or cling to the collusion hoax. See?

You can't make everyone accept facts, but you can use facts as a cudgel against them. If Repubs handpicked guys can't find it, sorry, but they set the terms and it wasn't there. Done.
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I would change your many to a few.
So do you believe the results in GA were legit?
 
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I don't recall anyone believing Russia changed votes. What I do recall is that many believed Russia engaged in a campaign of misinformation that would influence voters.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Gallup Poll Shows 78% Of Democrats Mistakenly Believe Russia Changed Election...
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The link to the poll goes nowhere. But I am trying to chase down the actually poll. From what I am seeing, I believe the poll was two fold Russia interfered in the elections with the misinformation campaign (nobody is really disputing this) The second question is whether that campaign changed some voters minds. It is not the same as changing votes as the article implies. The argument wasn't about the security of the election process, but the influence through use of social media and the value of said use of social media.

Misleading article.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
The link to the poll goes nowhere. But I am trying to chase down the actually poll. From what I am seeing, I believe the poll was two fold Russia interfered in the elections with the misinformation campaign (nobody is really disputing this) The second question is whether that campaign changed some voters minds. It is not the same as changing votes as the article implies. The argument wasn't about the security of the election process, but the influence through use of social media and the value of said use of social media.

Misleading article.
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People like Luth believe......
 
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Sandman 423 said:
It was the total Russia spent on Facebook and twitter to interfere in the election. I don't remember where the 650K came from exactly but it was one of the #'s reported. Here is an article with some of the #'s
Exactly how much Russians spent on Twitter, Facebook ads during election
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I'm more concerned with their efforts to create division using social media. Those aren't going to show up in any ad spend but we're much more damaging. We've shown to be a fragile bunch
 
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luthervol said:
I would change your many to a few.
So do you believe the results in GA were legit?
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I don't know. Unless there's a paper ballot and you can ascertain the BMD (ballot marking device) input accurately what you chose and the optical scanner accurately count that and outputs it to the collated count, it is impossible to audit an election.

There's literally a host of issues associated with electronic voting systems, and the integrity of the system is predicated not just on a paper ballot, but the integrity of that ballot and processing downstream. http://electionlab.mit.edu/sites/default/files/2019-06/Election-Auditing-Key-Issues-Perspectives.pdf
 
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NCFisher said:
I don't know. Unless there's a paper ballot and you can ascertain the BMD (ballot marking device) input accurately what you chose and the optical scanner accurately count that and outputs it to the collated count, it is impossible to audit an election.

There's literally a host of issues associated with electronic voting systems, and the integrity of the system is predicated not just on a paper ballot, but the integrity of that ballot and processing downstream. http://electionlab.mit.edu/sites/default/files/2019-06/Election-Auditing-Key-Issues-Perspectives.pdf
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So were the same concerns equally present in 2016?
How would you compare the perceived fairness of the 2016 and 2020 votes in GA?
 
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luthervol said:
Tweets and memes are pretty inexpensive. Millions of retweets are free.
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You really are the case example for TDS. There is nothing anyone can say that will make you understand why Trump was elected. You think that everything the FBI, the House Democrats and media did was justified. You are blind my friend.
 
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luthervol said:
So were the same concerns equally present in 2016?
How would you compare the perceived fairness of the 2016 and 2020 votes in GA?
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I know prominent Democrats shared those concerns in 2016 and 2018. I don't know how similar the systems and processes were compared to 2020. The point is that machine balloting is potentially ripe for fraud, as the MIT team attests, and for a variety of reasons. Mail balloting should be eliminated, period.

Personally, I told more than a few close people prior to the election don't be taken in by the huge crowds and support for Trump, that it was going to a very close race and not decided for a week or more.
 
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