As of today, are the Lady Vols a final four team?

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volfanecs said:
You have to admit, it was a little funny. Just joking and apologies if not taken that way.
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Very few things upset me no apologies actually I laughed. The pot calling the kettle black. I just hate when people try to compare Holly and Pat. It is not fair to either of them. Especially when it is used to defend Holly's coaching style or lack thereof.
 
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teacherdean said:
Very few things upset me no apologies actually I laughed. The pot calling the kettle black. I just hate when people try to compare Holly and Pat. It is not fair to either of them. Especially when it is used to defend Holly's coaching style or lack thereof.
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I wonder if Holly is too close to the players. She was a "bridge" between the players and Pat. Will she be able to change roles?
 
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teacherdean said:
Thanks may be a little early for an assessment, but have no plans to buy final 4 tickets as I did when it was played in Nashville in hopes LV's would be in final four.
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I too bought FF tickets last year and unfortunately bought them this year also......hope LV's make it but the odds look slim at this point
 
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volfanecs said:
I wonder if Holly is too close to the players. She was a "bridge" between the players and Pat. Will she be able to change roles?
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I really think she is more of a peace maker like Chris Daily is to Genno. The HC has to be the one who lays down the law and I do not see that as being part of Holly's nature. If I were a head coach I can see Holly coaching defense, but she just does not seem like a head coach. When we were getting beat by Texas she was very exasperated, but did not have an answer. One time she went to the end of the bench and just sat down. She seldom calls timeouts to correct bad behavior. Think about it, how many times have you seen Holly coaching one of her players on the sideline?
 
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alexvol said:
I too bought FF tickets last year and unfortunately bought them this year also......hope LV's make it but the odds look slim at this point
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Final fours are fun and you see good basketball and you get to boo Genno but it would be more fun if we can ever figure out what it takes to get into the final four. We may have to just be happy with the sweet 16 and elite 8.
 
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teacherdean said:
I really think she is more of a peace maker like Chris Daily is to Genno. The HC has to be the one who lays down the law and I do not see that as being part of Holly's nature. If I were a head coach I can see Holly coaching defense, but she just does not seem like a head coach. When we were getting beat by Texas she was very exasperated, but did not have an answer. One time she went to the end of the bench and just sat down. She seldom calls timeouts to correct bad behavior. Think about it, how many times have you seen Holly coaching one of her players on the sideline?
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I think that will be a problem that haunts her throughout her career. You can't be both a peace maker and a coach.
 
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Holly was definitely Pat's peacemaker since the first day she became an assistant, even going back to her playing days. Holly is a sweet, laid-back East Tennessee woman who was perfectly suited to be a legendary assistant coach, but the ETSU second half may be the start of something good, hopefully great! Holly got out of her own way and the team's with her bold (slow clap inserted here, brava!) move to stage a sit-in and refusing to talk to the team at the half. It worked and that's all that matters.

Diamond took over this team and brought her little sis, Te'a, with her. I don't care about the talent level of the opponent, Diamond and Company put on a show with hustle, determination and skill. It was fun to watch.

Diamond said it best, "When mama ain't happy, no one is happy." Amen! It's about time Holly showed some fire and emotion, and it took total silence too accomplish this. Go figure.

We may also have seen the solution to our offensive woes: more pace, pressure and less double-post sluggish, uninspired play.

I see hope for the future if Holly will continue to get out of her own head and let these champions soar.

UConn is vulnerable this year, gang. Let's not lose all hope yet.

Go Lady Vols!
 
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They aren't a final four team today and they don't have to be one today. Holly needs to loosen the reins on the offense and let the players make plays. That might not always be going inside or holding the basketball but I think players like Diamond, Cooper, and others can score when given the offensive freedom to do so.
Hate to say it but when Holly sat down in the ETSU game that is when the offense started making plays and causing turnovers. It may not be because Holly sat down but hopefully if we start playing half court ball in the next game and it is not working she will sit down again.
 
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Warlick has emotion--that is not her problem. Her problem, IMO, is she simply doesn't have the smarts, confidence and leadership ability to be a head coach--and certainly not the head coach of a program like this. She very much seems like someone who wants to be liked by the players--at bottom--and, as others have noted, that is the role she played on the staff for a VERY LONG time. That is ingrained in her and her personality---not easily changed. You could tell in interviews in her first couple of years how nervous Warlick was--and I think she is still a nervous coach. Nervous coaches are not good coaches--and we play nervous in big games, play tight. Played embarrassingly tight against Louisville and Maryland in the NCAA--the players were practically in a panic mode. That is bad.

Coaching is not just about yelling at the players before a game--"I want you to be relentless!" It is about knowing the game, teaching the game, being demanding, and commanding the respect of your players. I think that last point is a real issue with Warlick. The essence of coaching is to take a group of players with disparate talents and personalities and mold them into a high-functioning TEAM. We have not seen that for quite a long time. Maybe it will come together for us this year. We have a chance, but I will surprised if it does.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
They aren't a final four team today and they don't have to be one today. Holly needs to loosen the reins on the offense and let the players make plays. That might not always be going inside or holding the basketball but I think players like Diamond, Cooper, and others can score when given the offensive freedom to do so.
Hate to say it but when Holly sat down in the ETSU game that is when the offense started making plays and causing turnovers. It may not be because Holly sat down but hopefully if we start playing half court ball in the next game and it is not working she will sat down again.
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Definitely on the right track here ^^^^
 
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armchair said:
Warlick has emotion--that is not her problem. Her problem, IMO, is she simply doesn't have the smarts, confidence and leadership ability to be a head coach--and certainly not the head coach of a program like this. She very much seems like someone who wants to be liked by the players--at bottom--and, as others have noted, that is the role she played on the staff for a VERY LONG time. That is ingrained in her and her personality---not easily changed. You could tell in interviews in her first couple of years how nervous Warlick was--and I think she is still a nervous coach. Nervous coaches are not good coaches--and we play nervous in big games, play tight. Played embarrassingly tight against Louisville and Maryland in the NCAA--the players were practically in a panic mode. That is bad.

Coaching is not just about yelling at the players before a game--"I want you to be relentless!" It is about knowing the game, teaching the game, being demanding, and commanding the respect of your players. I think that last point is a real issue with Warlick. The essence of coaching is to take a group of players with disparate talents and personalities and mold them into a high-functioning TEAM. We have not seen that for quite a long time. Maybe it will come together for us this year. We have a chance, but I will surprised if it does.
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Lots of truth here ^^^^
 
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Voldon18 said:
Holly was definitely Pat's peacemaker since the first day she became an assistant, even going back to her playing days. Holly is a sweet, laid-back East Tennessee woman who was perfectly suited to be a legendary assistant coach, but the ETSU second half may be the start of something good, hopefully great! Holly got out of her own way and the team's with her bold (slow clap inserted here, brava!) move to stage a sit-in and refusing to talk to the team at the half. It worked and that's all that matters.

Diamond took over this team and brought her little sis, Te'a, with her. I don't care about the talent level of the opponent, Diamond and Company put on a show with hustle, determination and skill. It was fun to watch.

Diamond said it best, "When mama ain't happy, no one is happy." Amen! It's about time Holly showed some fire and emotion, and it took total silence too accomplish this. Go figure.

We may also have seen the solution to our offensive woes: more pace, pressure and less double-post sluggish, uninspired play.

I see hope for the future if Holly will continue to get out of her own head and let these champions soar.

UConn is vulnerable this year, gang. Let's not lose all hope yet.

Go Lady Vols!
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Aside from the fact that NO team is invincible, I'm curious to know why you think that UConn is "vulnerable" this year. This year's team is stronger than last years.
 
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Voldon18 said:
Holly was definitely Pat's peacemaker since the first day she became an assistant, even going back to her playing days. Holly is a sweet, laid-back East Tennessee woman who was perfectly suited to be a legendary assistant coach, but the ETSU second half may be the start of something good, hopefully great! Holly got out of her own way and the team's with her bold (slow clap inserted here, brava!) move to stage a sit-in and refusing to talk to the team at the half. It worked and that's all that matters.

Diamond took over this team and brought her little sis, Te'a, with her. I don't care about the talent level of the opponent, Diamond and Company put on a show with hustle, determination and skill. It was fun to watch.

Diamond said it best, "When mama ain't happy, no one is happy." Amen! It's about time Holly showed some fire and emotion, and it took total silence too accomplish this. Go figure.

We may also have seen the solution to our offensive woes: more pace, pressure and less double-post sluggish, uninspired play.

I see hope for the future if Holly will continue to get out of her own head and let these champions soar.

UConn is vulnerable this year, gang. Let's not lose all hope yet.

Go Lady Vols!
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I agreed with you until you got to the UCONN is vulnerable part. You are absolutely hilarious... or you haven't seen them play yet. They play Notre Dame on ESPN at 5:15 today and unfortunately N.D. is hurt. After that game you should explain your idea of a vulnerable team. Enjoy the game.
 
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reno tony said:
I agreed with you until you got to the UCONN is vulnerable part. You are absolutely hilarious... or you haven't seen them play yet. They play Notre Dame on ESPN at 5:15 today and unfortunately N.D. is hurt. After that game you should explain your idea of a vulnerable team. Enjoy the game.
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Maybe "vulnerable" is not the best word, but at least for a half against Depaul, they certainly did not look invincible (Depaul was only 3 down).

It was a unique and innovative approach employed by Bruno, but I understand that the only way other teams can replicate is to be able to perform those Hockey-like line changes.
 
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Trixietrouble said:
...but I understand that the only way other teams can replicate is to be able to perform those Hockey-like line changes.
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Actually, the way to beat any good team is to shoot at an amazing clip. In the first half, when the game was close, DePaul shot 9/16 (56%) from three. These were NBA-range shots, contested with a hand in the face, and they hit nothing but net. [By comparison, the Vols are shooting 27% (from 3) this season.] A few years ago, Louisville beat Baylor/Griner in the NCAA tournament by raining down threes at an unbelievable percentage. Every team is vulnerable if their opponent has an extremely hot shooting day. But it is difficult to sustain those percentages for an entire game.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Actually, the way to beat any good team is to shoot at an amazing clip. In the first half, when the game was close, DePaul shot 9/16 (56%) from three. These were NBA-range shots, contested with a hand in the face, and they hit nothing but net. [By comparison, the Vols are shooting 27% (from 3) this season.] A few years ago, Louisville beat Baylor/Griner in the NCAA tournament by raining down threes at an unbelievable percentage. Every team is vulnerable if their opponent has an extremely hot shooting day. But it is difficult to sustain those percentages for an entire game.
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Exactly right. Even hitting threes isn't enough, you have to play like your hair is on fire. In both the CT-DPaul game and the Louisville-Baylor game, the underdog played their A-Game AND hit threes.
 
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Trixietrouble said:
Maybe "vulnerable" is not the best word, but at least for a half against Depaul, they certainly did not look invincible (Depaul was only 3 down).

It was a unique and innovative approach employed by Bruno, but I understand that the only way other teams can replicate is to be able to perform those Hockey-like line changes.
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Not sure if you saw the game or not but you are right. It was an excellent game plan by Bruno and fits his style of coaching. Just shoot over 50% FG%, shoot 70% 3PT, press the whole half, make 5 for 5 player changes and only find yourself down by 3 points. DePaul seemed like they ran out of gas a little in the second half, even with the mass substitutions and UCONN just kept rolling like they do. Bruno obviously has the players that can handle that game plan for a half but tough to play that way for 40 minutes. It all begins with recruiting and like most good coaches, he recruits players that fit into his offensive and defensive schemes. Only coach to bring 3 different women teams to the NCAA Tourney.
 
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reno tony said:
Not sure if you saw the game or not but you are right. It was an excellent game plan by Bruno and fits his style of coaching. Just shoot over 50% FG%, shoot 70% 3PT, press the whole half, make 5 for 5 player changes and only find yourself down by 3 points. DePaul seemed like they ran out of gas a little in the second half, even with the mass substitutions and UCONN just kept rolling like they do. Bruno obviously has the players that can handle that game plan for a half but tough to play that way for 40 minutes. It all begins with recruiting and like most good coaches, he recruits players that fit into his offensive and defensive schemes. Only coach to bring 3 different women teams to the NCAA Tourney.
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Simply put it will take a perfect storm to beat UCONN. A game in which the team playing UCONN is extremely hot and playing a defense which throws UCONN off its game. With Genno at the helm I cannot see both happening at the same time.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Actually, the way to beat any good team is to shoot at an amazing clip. In the first half, when the game was close, DePaul shot 9/16 (56%) from three. These were NBA-range shots, contested with a hand in the face, and they hit nothing but net. [By comparison, the Vols are shooting 27% (from 3) this season.] A few years ago, Louisville beat Baylor/Griner in the NCAA tournament by raining down threes at an unbelievable percentage. Every team is vulnerable if their opponent has an extremely hot shooting day. But it is difficult to sustain those percentages for an entire game.
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Exactly, right. DePaul was on fire from long distance... they shot almost 45% from behind the arc. I think they were averaging 28% coming into the game. DePaul is a tough place to play.... it's like playing in a small gym. Geno and Bruno know each other so well that it seems many of the DePaul games are closer games than most for UConn. Credit to Bruno and his team. Good game plan, good execution, although I doubt even Bruno expected them to hit 13 three's. That said, as great as they played, they still lost by 16 on their court. My guess is that in a rematch on UConn's floor, Depaul loses by 30+ points. No way they shoot like that again. They may not do it again this season. But, let's not forget DePaul is a top 25 team. I think they're going to win a fair share of their games this season.
 
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Hoya Saxa said:
Didn't C. Vivian have success with multiple teams? Or was that in pre-NCAA days?
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You are right. She brought three and they all made it to the Final Four. Rutgers, Iowa and the first year of the Final Four, 1982, she brought Cheney State.
 
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