Assistants to Watch

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globadoc

globadoc

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I know, I know - we really need a proven commodity. But how about one of these guys:

1. Kirby Smart (obvious possibility), Defensive Coordinator, Alabama
2. Manny Diaz, Defensive Coordinator, Texas
3. Pat Narduzzi, Defensive Coordinator, Michigan State
4. Everett Withers, Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State (and former interim coach at UNC)
5. Chad Morris, Offensive Coordinator, Clemson

Anyone object to any of these guys (if we happened to pick one of them)?
 
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Manny Diaz isn't doing too great this year. I wouldn't want an assistant at this point.
 
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Could very well happen. Noone knows if Hart is willing to spend big money on a coach. UT has never done it so until they do, who knows what our options are. Hart could very well plan on hiring Kirby Smart for the same 2 million dollar salary UT seems to like to stick with.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Could very well happen. Noone knows if Hart is willing to spend big money on a coach. UT has never done it so until they do, who knows what our options are. Hart could very well plan on hiring Kirby Smart for the same 2 million dollar salary UT seems to like to stick with.
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Its not Hart's or UT's money that will paying for this coach and there is no way he hires a n assistant.
 
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Hopvol said:
Its not Hart's or UT's money that will paying for this coach and there is no way he hires a n assistant.
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That is the same thing that has been said with the last couple hires. UT would not settle. UT would not go on the cheap and would hire a big time coach. The boosters will pay the buyouts and pay big for a winner. Funny, UT....yes...UT is still paying those buyouts and for the coaches currrently on staff.

"This time" will be different huh? Maybe it will. I hope the boosters do decide to step in and get us a capable coach. The talk of these "big boosters" has seemed to be alot like sasquatch talk the last few years. Alot of people speak of them, they just never seem to be around when it's time to cut the check. JMO
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is the same thing that has been said with the last couple hires. UT would not settle. UT would not go on the cheap and would hire a big time coach. The boosters will pay the buyouts and pay big for a winner. Funny, UT....yes...UT is still paying those buyouts and for the coaches currrently on staff.

"This time" will be different huh? Maybe it will. I hope the boosters do decide to step in and get us a capable coach. The talk of these "big boosters" has seemed to be alot like sasquatch talk the last few years. Alot of people speak of them, they just never seem to be around when it's time to cut the check. JMO
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It'll have to be. If our stadium gets any emptier our entire athletic department will suffer, not just football. It supports every other sport except basketball.
 
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Everett Withers is a prick. As an NCSU fan, The tendencey is to hate all things UNC. However, this man was a particularly large a-hole. Wouldn't want him representing my team as the head coach.
 
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I like morris , but the dude was coaching high school ball 3 years ago . Not sure I would be willing to give him a shot yet .........some of you guys need to forget Smart coaches at Alabama , I think he would be the only assistant I would consider
 
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TFS coaches are the rage right now. Wouldn't come close to hiring Morris. Mazzone would be one of my first stops for offensive assistants.
 
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I'm not really wild about going the coordinator route. But if we did I would prefer a coordinator with HC experience. Problem is, most that fit that description have been fired as a HC for sucking somewhere else. So if we do go the coordinator route there's really only one guy I hope they call.

Chuck Martin is the current offensive coordinator, QB coach, and recruiting coordinator for Brian Kelly at ND. I've heard the ND DC Diaco thrown around as a potential name but this guy is more proven. Martin was the HC at Grand Valley State (D-2) where he had a 74-7 record, a 16-4 playoff record, and 2 D-2National Championships. He also won 40 consecutive regular season games breaking the record of 28 set by Brian Kelly. Martin left GVS to join Kelly's staff at ND. At a young 44 years old, I feel this dude is gonna be a fabulous coach for someone.

Yeah yeah I know...he did what he did at the D2 level, but let's look at what a couple of other other highly successful D-1 coaches did at the D-2 level.

Jim Tressel- Youngstown St. From 1986-2000: 135-57-2 and 23-14 in playoffs with 4 NCs.
Tressel went straight from Youngstown to OSU which was rare. The rest is history.

Brian Kelly- Grand Valley State from 1991-2003: 118-35-2 and 11-4 in playoff games with 2 D2 NCs. Kelly set a D-2 national record with 28 consecutive wins.

Chuck Martin- Grand Valley State 2004-2009: 76-7 and 16-4 playoff record with two D-2 NCs. He won 40 consecutive games breaking Brian Kelly's record of 28.

Again...a bit out of left field I know. But many of these assistants named have not been a HC at all. While this guy was at D-2, he destroyed the opposition and had a better win % than both Kelly and Tressel at D-2. I also like that he's been an assistant on both sides of the ball. ND is killing it in recruiting and he's more than pulled his weight in that department too.

Point being...if I were to hire a coordinator, it would without a doubt be Chuck Martin over any of the other names being thrown out. This dude is gonna do big things for someone.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Martin_(American_football)#section_2
 
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RichRollin said:
I'm not really wild about going the coordinator route. But if we did I would prefer a coordinator with HC experience. Problem is, most of them have been fired for sucking somewhere else. So if we do go the coordinator route there's really only one guy I hope they call.

Chuck Martin is the current offensive coordinator, QB coach, and recruiting coordinator for Brian Kelly at ND. I've heard the ND DC Diaco thrown around as a potential name but this guy is more proven. Martin was the HC at Grand Valley State (D-2) where he had a 74-7 record, a 16-4 playoff record, and 2 D-2National Championships. He also won 40 consecutive regular season games breaking the record of 28 set by Brian Kelly. Martin left GVS to join Kelly's staff at ND. At a young 44 years old, I feel this dude is gonna be a fabulous coach for someone.

Yeah yeah I know...he did what he did at the D2 level, but let's look at what a couple of other other highly successful D-1 coaches did at the D-2 level.

Jim Tressel- Youngstown St. From 1986-2000: 135-57-2 and 23-14 in playoffs with 4 NCs.
Tressel went straight from Youngstown to OSU which was rare. The rest is history.

Brian Kelly- Grand Valley State from 1991-2003: 118-35-2 and 11-4 in playoff games with 2 D2 NCs. Kelly set a D-2 national record with 28 consecutive wins.

Chuck Martin- Grand Valley State 2004-2009: 76-7 and 16-4 playoff record with two D-2 NCs. He won 40 consecutive games breaking Brian Kelly's record of 28.

Again...a bit out of left field I know. But many of these assistants named have been a HC at all. While this guy was at D-2, he destroyed the opposition and had a better win % than both Kelly and Tressel at D-2. I also like that he's been an assistant on both sides of the ball. ND is killing it in recruiting and he's more than pulled his weight in that department too.

Point being...if I were to hire a coordinator, it would without a doubt be Chuck Martin over any of the other names being thrown out. This dude is gonna do big things for someone.
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Makes sense.

Didn't really have to change much at GVS. Kept same system intact. I like Kelly's stuff. Every concept works in tandem. The commitment to vert stemming destroys pattern reading. Just fantastic offenses to watch all the way from Kelly's heyday at GVS.

Few would be in favor, but I like offensive-minded up-and-comers.

Good name to throw out.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
That is the same thing that has been said with the last couple hires. UT would not settle. UT would not go on the cheap and would hire a big time coach. The boosters will pay the buyouts and pay big for a winner. Funny, UT....yes...UT is still paying those buyouts and for the coaches currrently on staff.

"This time" will be different huh? Maybe it will. I hope the boosters do decide to step in and get us a capable coach. The talk of these "big boosters" has seemed to be alot like sasquatch talk the last few years. Alot of people speak of them, they just never seem to be around when it's time to cut the check. JMO
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Don't know where you get information but the boosters were never willing to open the checkbook last time. This time they are lining up to pay Dooley's buyout and get a new coach in here. If it were entirely up to Hart and the athletic dept we would have Smart. Thankfully it is not.
 
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bam15 said:
Makes sense.

Didn't really have to change much at GVS. Kept same system intact. I like Kelly's stuff. Every concept works in tandem. The commitment to vert stemming destroys pattern reading. Just fantastic offenses to watch all the way from Kelly's heyday at GVS.

Few would be in favor, but I like offensive-minded up-and-comers.

Good name to throw out.
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Yeah I hear ya. But there's something to be said about winning 40 straight games. Dude is a great motivator and coach. Things like that don't happen by accident. Coaching under Kelly at GVS is a big plus. Not only did he win the 2 NCs as a HC, we won two as an assistant under Kelly, giving him 4 NCs he was a part of at GVS. And when Kelly got the ND job he knew failing wasn't an option. Him hiring Martin as his OC tales a lot IMO. I also think in time dudes that coach under Kelly are gonna prove to be good coaches elsewhere. Didn't Butch Jones coach under BK at Cinnci? I'm too lazy to look it up. I also think the ND D-coordinator (Diaco?) is gonna be a solid HC somewhere. But I think Martin is gonna be that dude, JMO. And I'm not sure Martin is any more of an offensive coach as he is defensive. Most of his assistant jobs were defensive jobs.

Again...I'm 100% all in on Gruden. I want him, I want him bad. But the thread is about coordinators, and I think Martin would win and win big. Some dudes can just flat out coach and he fits that mold. I want a coach, not some suave dude who can win a press conference. Lane Kiffin and Derrick Dooley both won the press conference. I don't think Fulmer, Saban, Tressel, Urban Meyer, Lloyd Carr won many if any press conferences. Yet they put up Hall of Fame careers. I want a football coach.
 
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OCIVol said:
I don't think any of these guys are being considered by Gruden for spots on his staff.
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LOL, yeah I hear ya. I was just throwing that out there for a coordinator who I think will make a fabulous head coach when given the chance. Being serious, was the thread meant to be guys we think will come with Gruden? Because that opens up another discussion.
 
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globadoc said:
I know, I know - we really need a proven commodity. But how about one of these guys:

1. Kirby Smart (obvious possibility), Defensive Coordinator, Alabama
2. Manny Diaz, Defensive Coordinator, Texas
3. Pat Narduzzi, Defensive Coordinator, Michigan State
4. Everett Withers, Co-Defensive Coordinator, Ohio State (and former interim coach at UNC)
5. Chad Morris, Offensive Coordinator, Clemson

Anyone object to any of these guys (if we happened to pick one of them)?
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tenmanjonez said:
Everett Withers is a prick. As an NCSU fan, The tendencey is to hate all things UNC. However, this man was a particularly large a-hole. Wouldn't want him representing my team as the head coach.
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I do not know him and cannot defend him, but what decent coach was/is NOT "a particularly large a-hole"? I might be inclined to consider that a positive rather than a negative attribute.

RichRollin said:
I'm not really wild about going the coordinator route. But if we did I would prefer a coordinator with HC experience. Problem is, most that fit that description have been fired as a HC for sucking somewhere else. So if we do go the coordinator route there's really only one guy I hope they call.

Chuck Martin is the current offensive coordinator, QB coach, and recruiting coordinator for Brian Kelly at ND.
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Not a bad suggestion. Guy looks like he can flat out coach.

And I agree: I am not in favor of the assistant route, but we all realize that UT has the potential to do something totally out of left field in the name of budget-mindedness. I'd bet that any if not all of these guys would be a lot cheaper than someone's head coach (especially including the buyout).
 
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