At this point I hope UT misses the tournament

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smh, never would I wish that. I dont care even if I ever hated a coach we had.

seems very un vollish
 
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bballnut90 said:
I posted this on another board, but as a long time fan of the program and women's basketball, my thoughts are below:

I personally don't think Tennessee should be a tourney team. They are in 9th place in the SEC, 7-7 in conference and 16-11 overall. Their best wins on the season are:

Oregon State: 23-3, 1st place in PAC-12
Syracuse: 21-6, 11-3 in ACC
Chattanooga: 20-7 overall. Lost by 2 to Tennessee, 48 to UCONN, 43 to Stanford and 28 to South Florida.
Auburn: 18-8 overall, 8-5 in SEC play
Missouri: 20-6 overall, 7-6 in SEC play

Note how ALL of these wins happened early in the season. The most recent "good" win was against Auburn on January 10th. If I'm on the committee, I'd place significantly lower emphasis on the wins over Syracuse and Oregon State because they happened so early in the year, and greater emphasis on their recent losses.

They have steadily declined as the season continues and are seriously tanking as the end of the year approaches. After winning their first 3 games separated by 5 or less, they have now lost 6 in a row decided by 5 points or less. Multiple times they have blown late 4th quarter leads. Today's was utterly ridiculous. 4 missed free throws in the last minute, leaving your worst free throw shooter in the game late, fouling the opposing team 80 feet from the basket with 3 seconds left, etc. Many UT fans and myself hope they don't get in at this point in an effort to get rid of Warlick.

Mind you, this this is a team that has:
2013 #1 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2013 #3 overall recruit, 2014 NFOY at other program
2012 #5 overall recruit, 2013 NFOY by some media outlets
2014 #6 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #12 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #21 recruit, 2014 All SEC Freshman team
2014 #28 recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #42 recruit, McDonald's AA

Compare this to #3 Notre Dame when you look at active players on their roster:
2014 #2 overall recruit, 2014 ACC FOY
2015 #10 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #18 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #21 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #26 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #33 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #39 overall recruit

Or #2 South Carolina
2014 #1 overall recruit, 2014 SEC FOY
2014 #7 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #28 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #35 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2012 #40 overall recruit
2012 #46 overall recruit

Looking at this blindly, everyone would pick Tennessee's lineup. Holly has under-performed in her ability to develop talent, under-performed in her ability to build a cohesive team, under-performed in her ability to get players to buy into her system, and under-performed in her in game coaching ability. Plus, she has no one on deck for 2016 and 2017. Dave Hart needs to get rid of her ASAP if the program has any chance of being a Final Four team in the next 5 years.
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Many good points. However, with all that in mind, I do not wish for the LVs to miss the tournament because I want the coach fired. I expect every team at Tennessee, no matter their current situation, to overcome adversity and play like champions. Do I think Holly deserves to be retained? No. However, I am not calling for her firing, or for the players to fail just so I can see her fired. That decision is for the university to make, not me, and certainly not you.

There is a title for people who think and argue in such a manner. It is NegaVol. Wear it proudly.
 
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bballnut90 said:
I posted this on another board, but as a long time fan of the program and women's basketball, my thoughts are below:

I personally don't think Tennessee should be a tourney team. They are in 9th place in the SEC, 7-7 in conference and 16-11 overall. Their best wins on the season are:

Oregon State: 23-3, 1st place in PAC-12
Syracuse: 21-6, 11-3 in ACC
Chattanooga: 20-7 overall. Lost by 2 to Tennessee, 48 to UCONN, 43 to Stanford and 28 to South Florida.
Auburn: 18-8 overall, 8-5 in SEC play
Missouri: 20-6 overall, 7-6 in SEC play

Note how ALL of these wins happened early in the season. The most recent "good" win was against Auburn on January 10th. If I'm on the committee, I'd place significantly lower emphasis on the wins over Syracuse and Oregon State because they happened so early in the year, and greater emphasis on their recent losses.

They have steadily declined as the season continues and are seriously tanking as the end of the year approaches. After winning their first 3 games separated by 5 or less, they have now lost 6 in a row decided by 5 points or less. Multiple times they have blown late 4th quarter leads. Today's was utterly ridiculous. 4 missed free throws in the last minute, leaving your worst free throw shooter in the game late, fouling the opposing team 80 feet from the basket with 3 seconds left, etc. Many UT fans and myself hope they don't get in at this point in an effort to get rid of Warlick.

Mind you, this this is a team that has:
2013 #1 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2013 #3 overall recruit, 2014 NFOY at other program
2012 #5 overall recruit, 2013 NFOY by some media outlets
2014 #6 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #12 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #21 recruit, 2014 All SEC Freshman team
2014 #28 recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #42 recruit, McDonald's AA

Compare this to #3 Notre Dame when you look at active players on their roster:
2014 #2 overall recruit, 2014 ACC FOY
2015 #10 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #18 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #21 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #26 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #33 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #39 overall recruit

Or #2 South Carolina
2014 #1 overall recruit, 2014 SEC FOY
2014 #7 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #28 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #35 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2012 #40 overall recruit
2012 #46 overall recruit

Looking at this blindly, everyone would pick Tennessee's lineup. Holly has under-performed in her ability to develop talent, under-performed in her ability to build a cohesive team, under-performed in her ability to get players to buy into her system, and under-performed in her in game coaching ability. Plus, she has no one on deck for 2016 and 2017. Dave Hart needs to get rid of her ASAP if the program has any chance of being a Final Four team in the next 5 years.
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Whatever it takes to get a coaching change I am for.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Whatever it takes to get a coaching change I am for.
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I'm not a Holly supporter- but a few things to note.

#1. This team will not miss the tournament. Charlie Creme (Espn's women's bracketology guru) says TN gets in easily at 17-13, and 16-14. That would mean we could lose every remaining game and still make the tournament. Strength of Schedule is 1, and rpi is high even with our losses. I'm not suggesting we're a good team or that we will win a game in the tournament, I'm just presenting facts.

#2. UT is not going to fire Holly for a host of reasons. Quickest to 100 wins over last 4 years, contract extension and raise last year, attendance hasn't dwindled by much, revenue is actually up, and the biggest of all is the new Title IX lawsuit UT is facing. It would be a PR nightmare for UT to fire her.

The best we can do is hope there are assistant coach changes end of season, and then next year will be the make or break year for Warlick.
 
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#33
the tournament but I would be shocked if they win 2 games and make the sweet 16...as of today they are probably a 6 seed which would face 11 seed and then probably #3 seed which would be a quality team. Holly has a lot of blame here and the buck stops with her but the players also share some of the blame on their terrible offensive play and horrible FF shooting at the end of several games this year. they should have 4-5 more wins if they make those FF.
 
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Volstylexx said:
I'm not a Holly supporter- but a few things to note.

#1. This team will not miss the tournament. Charlie Creme (Espn's women's bracketology guru) says TN gets in easily at 17-13, and 16-14. That would mean we could lose every remaining game and still make the tournament. Strength of Schedule is 1, and rpi is high even with our losses. I'm not suggesting we're a good team or that we will win a game in the tournament, I'm just presenting facts.

#2. UT is not going to fire Holly for a host of reasons. Quickest to 100 wins over last 4 years, contract extension and raise last year, attendance hasn't dwindled by much, revenue is actually up, and the biggest of all is the new Title IX lawsuit UT is facing. It would be a PR nightmare for UT to fire her.

The best we can do is hope there are assistant coach changes end of season, and then next year will be the make or break year for Warlick.
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I'm going to add a third reason--Questionable desirability. I had a conversation yesterday after the game with a guy connected to several administrators and coaches through out the eastern half of the US. He believed UT could get a great coach to replace Holly but that people--especially men, aren't going to be beating the doors to get the job like most people assume for two big reasons:

1) Administrative upheaval--it is questionable if Cheek/Hart are in Knoxville in a year. Who your boss is matters.

2) The most under reported potential concern for a new hire is the baggage and personalities around this program. To be more specific--there are lots of 60 year old women with nothing better to do around Knoxville than stir up the pot. Believe me if Holly Warlick is let go this same groupie is going to make life a living hell for the new coach especially if its a man. Even the slightest deviation from the Pat Summitt way will lead to passive aggressive sabotage.
 
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bballnut90 said:
I posted this on another board, but as a long time fan of the program and women's basketball, my thoughts are below:

I personally don't think Tennessee should be a tourney team. They are in 9th place in the SEC, 7-7 in conference and 16-11 overall. Their best wins on the season are:

Oregon State: 23-3, 1st place in PAC-12
Syracuse: 21-6, 11-3 in ACC
Chattanooga: 20-7 overall. Lost by 2 to Tennessee, 48 to UCONN, 43 to Stanford and 28 to South Florida.
Auburn: 18-8 overall, 8-5 in SEC play
Missouri: 20-6 overall, 7-6 in SEC play

Note how ALL of these wins happened early in the season. The most recent "good" win was against Auburn on January 10th. If I'm on the committee, I'd place significantly lower emphasis on the wins over Syracuse and Oregon State because they happened so early in the year, and greater emphasis on their recent losses.

They have steadily declined as the season continues and are seriously tanking as the end of the year approaches. After winning their first 3 games separated by 5 or less, they have now lost 6 in a row decided by 5 points or less. Multiple times they have blown late 4th quarter leads. Today's was utterly ridiculous. 4 missed free throws in the last minute, leaving your worst free throw shooter in the game late, fouling the opposing team 80 feet from the basket with 3 seconds left, etc. Many UT fans and myself hope they don't get in at this point in an effort to get rid of Warlick.

Mind you, this this is a team that has:
2013 #1 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2013 #3 overall recruit, 2014 NFOY at other program
2012 #5 overall recruit, 2013 NFOY by some media outlets
2014 #6 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #12 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #21 recruit, 2014 All SEC Freshman team
2014 #28 recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #42 recruit, McDonald's AA

Compare this to #3 Notre Dame when you look at active players on their roster:
2014 #2 overall recruit, 2014 ACC FOY
2015 #10 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #18 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #21 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2015 #26 overall recruit, McDonald's AA game MVP
2012 #33 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #39 overall recruit

Or #2 South Carolina
2014 #1 overall recruit, 2014 SEC FOY
2014 #7 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2013 #28 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2014 #35 overall recruit, McDonald's AA
2012 #40 overall recruit
2012 #46 overall recruit

Looking at this blindly, everyone would pick Tennessee's lineup. Holly has under-performed in her ability to develop talent, under-performed in her ability to build a cohesive team, under-performed in her ability to get players to buy into her system, and under-performed in her in game coaching ability. Plus, she has no one on deck for 2016 and 2017. Dave Hart needs to get rid of her ASAP if the program has any chance of being a Final Four team in the next 5 years.
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Please don't wish for a team you are a fan of to not do well. No matter the circumstances it is an unsavory decision to make.
 
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Here's my wish...LV are a #16 seed and are placed in #1UConn's bracket. The beat down that would be imposed on UT would show any knowledgeable fan that the gap between UConn and UT is unfathomable, and growing. Change is needed immediately on so many levels.
 
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