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I was just asking. I think it's a cyclical effect somewhat, but I do understand the freeze on payroll and absentee ownership. However, I respect their approach to not take a loss (being a company). I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Ted pumped money in and was willing to eat the losses to own a winner. If true, awesome. A company will never do that, though.

While my baseball fandom was in full swing, i was still young enough to be blissfully ignorant to the behind the scenes actions during the 90's run. I just know as a braves fan with mostly cardinals fan friends, I've been ridiculed about attendance practically my whole life. In the height of winning divisions and making the playoffs, I think i remember not selling out playoff games. I bought all the, "the fans are spoiled" "we make it every year" stuff but in 2010, after a nice absence from the playoffs, I sat in the not full stadium. I don't put the thrashers on ATL fans because it's hockey. And i don't put the hawks on ATL fans to an extent because they aren't exciting and they're recent coaches/management has been borderline retarded. But the braves..I don't know, maybe I'm just tired of hearing it (as I'm sure you are too living there, as GA stated earlier). I just don't want to read "well if the stadium was between work and my house, I might attend 20% of the games" as was stated earlier in this thread. It's just frustrating to read because I'd love to attend 80+% of the games, but I don't live there. I also don't have kids..i can see how that would be a major problem on school nights. As I said, most of the reasoning is legitimate. Just gets old listening to it. And I think we can all agree that as a fan it just sucks to turn on the tv and see 15k in a 55k stadium.
 
#8,677
#8,677
So . . . Prado gets a day off against a left hander and Freeman got yesterday off against a right hander???

Wouldn't it have made a little more sense to wait a day and give Freeman the day off against Johann Santana so that Hinske could face him from the right side?

Just sayin.
 
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TBrown said:
I was just asking. I think it's a cyclical effect somewhat, but I do understand the freeze on payroll and absentee ownership. However, I respect their approach to not take a loss (being a company). I thought I remembered reading somewhere that Ted pumped money in and was willing to eat the losses to own a winner. If true, awesome. A company will never do that, though.
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It's the difference between sterile corporate ownership and real ownership. A real owner is a billionaire who wants badly to win and, while he doesn't want to take a bath on it, doesn't totally care if the money balances out. A real owner doesn't look at, say, Mike Hampton's contract sitting there for years and say to the GM, "Well, you better go find some cheap guys because that's two players we can't sign until that contract is up."

Corporate owners like Liberty just want to stay competitive enough to maintain the value of the franchise. Now that their tax obligations are over, I have no doubt that Liberty's goal is to basically break even while they find a buyer for the team at a suitably high price. Winning is sort of beside the point.

While my baseball fandom was in full swing, i was still young enough to be blissfully ignorant to the behind the scenes actions during the 90's run. I just know as a braves fan with mostly cardinals fan friends, I've been ridiculed about attendance practically my whole life. In the height of winning divisions and making the playoffs, I think i remember not selling out playoff games. I bought all the, "the fans are spoiled" "we make it every year" stuff but in 2010, after a nice absence from the playoffs, I sat in the not full stadium. I don't put the thrashers on ATL fans because it's hockey. And i don't put the hawks on ATL fans to an extent because they aren't exciting and they're recent coaches/management has been borderline retarded. But the braves..I don't know, maybe I'm just tired of hearing it (as I'm sure you are too living there, as GA stated earlier). I just don't want to read "well if the stadium was between work and my house, I might attend 20% of the games" as was stated earlier in this thread. It's just frustrating to read because I'd love to attend 80+% of the games, but I don't live there. I also don't have kids..i can see how that would be a major problem on school nights. As I said, most of the reasoning is legitimate. Just gets old listening to it. And I think we can all agree that as a fan it just sucks to turn on the tv and see 15k in a 55k stadium.
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St Louis has the opposite demographic situation of Atlanta. It's a declining rustbelt city that people move out of, not into, and the Cardinals have been there for 120 years, so everybody's a Cards fan, everybody's dad was a Cards fan, everybody's granddad was a Cards fan, all the way back. I lived up in Missouri for a couple of years; baseball's just part of the culture up there in a way that pro sports simply are not in the south. The only way anybody down here over the age of about 10 had a granddad who rooted for the Braves is if the family moved from Milwaukee or Boston.
 
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GAVol said:
So . . . Prado gets a day off against a left hander and Freeman got yesterday off against a right hander???

Wouldn't it have made a little more sense to wait a day and give Freeman the day off against Johann Santana so that Hinske could face him from the right side?

Just sayin.
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Frediot is just living in the moment.. One day at time approach if you will
 
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Vercingetorix said:
It's the difference between sterile corporate ownership and real ownership. A real owner is a billionaire who wants badly to win and, while he doesn't want to take a bath on it, doesn't totally care if the money balances out.
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I'll never forget seeing an interview with Ted Turner where he said sports franchises were terrible investments and that the only reason to get into one was because you can and it's a neat thing to do.

The Braves so desperately need a local face on their ownership that it's not funny. Even a minority stake for somebody would be a step in the right direction.
 
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The best thing (for the team, at least) would be for Liberty Media to figure out a way for Tom Glavine to supposedly buy in with a Magic Johnson-like fake share of the team, with the understanding that Glavine would have first dibs to put a local group together to eventually take control.

With Arthur Blank supposedly not interested anymore, Ted Turner (relatively) broke, and no one interested in putting in even a token offer on the Thrashers, it's just hard to figure out who a local Big Fish owner might be.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
The best thing (for the team, at least) would be for Liberty Media to figure out a way for Tom Glavine to supposedly buy in with a Magic Johnson-like fake share of the team, with the understanding that Glavine would have first dibs to put a local group together to eventually take control.

With Arthur Blank supposedly not interested anymore, Ted Turner (relatively) broke, and no one interested in putting in even a token offer on the Thrashers, it's just hard to figure out who a local Big Fish owner might be.
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Well . . . . Since they sold off the Falcons, the Rankin Smith family hasn't been real busy. :)
 
#8,686
#8,686
Smoltz, Glavine and Dominique Wilkins need to form a group with the Truett Cathy family in the background giving away fried chicken sammiches.
 
#8,687
#8,687
Vercingetorix said:
The best thing (for the team, at least) would be for Liberty Media to figure out a way for Tom Glavine to supposedly buy in with a Magic Johnson-like fake share of the team, with the understanding that Glavine would have first dibs to put a local group together to eventually take control.

With Arthur Blank supposedly not interested anymore, Ted Turner (relatively) broke, and no one interested in putting in even a token offer on the Thrashers, it's just hard to figure out who a local Big Fish owner might be.
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Count me in...going to buy lotto tickets.
 
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TBrown said:
But the braves..I don't know, maybe I'm just tired of hearing it (as I'm sure you are too living there, as GA stated earlier). I just don't want to read "well if the stadium was between work and my house, I might attend 20% of the games" as was stated earlier in this thread. It's just frustrating to read because I'd love to attend 80+% of the games, but I don't live there. I also don't have kids..i can see how that would be a major problem on school nights. As I said, most of the reasoning is legitimate. Just gets old listening to it. And I think we can all agree that as a fan it just sucks to turn on the tv and see 15k in a 55k stadium.
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Hopefully you can do that someday.

Sounds like one of those ridiculous "turn in your fan card" type rants.
 
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Weezy said:
Hopefully you can do that someday.

Sounds like one of those ridiculous "turn in your fan card" type rants.
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Not sure how it sounds like one of those? Sounded more like he wishes he had the opertunity to go as many games as possible like others have but pass up on.
 
#8,692
#8,692
Even when I lived up there, I never went to more than 4-5 games a year except for 95.

Coming off the strike, they cut upper deck seats in the outfield to $2. We figured out which seat in CF was dead in the middle of the strikezone looking over the pitcher's head and would request those seats at the ticket office. I probably went to 25 games that year. I'll never forget walking out of a class at Ga State on Opening Day and buying a ticket for $2. It was surreal.
 
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