Attempt to look at CO2 in a realistic manner:

Of course not and you know it.

What I'm saying is that greehouse effect is wildly overstated by the AGW envirocrazies when all things are considered and that CO2 is vastly overstated in the equation.

Now since Mars is extremely cold because it has lost it atmosphere (thus having no greenhouse effect,) how do you explain it is in a warming trend just like our Earth??

So you believe there is enough evidence of a warming trend on Mars based on a few photographs of one region of the planet, but think there is insufficient evidence of warming on Earth despite temperature readings all over the globe for 100 years? Fascinating.


RealClimate: Global warming on Mars?
Thus inferring global warming from a 3 Martian year regional trend is unwarranted. The observed regional changes in south polar ice cover are almost certainly due to a regional climate transition, not a global phenomenon, and are demonstrably unrelated to external forcing. There is a slight irony in people rushing to claim that the glacier changes on Mars are a sure sign of global warming, while not being swayed by the much more persuasive analogous phenomena here on Earth…

Also, the NASA scientists who claimed the warming trend cited increased dust storms as the cause. Just FYI.

‘Mars and Pluto are warming too’—No they aren’t—and what if they were? | How to Talk to a Climate Skeptic: Responses to the most common skeptical arguments on global warming | Grist
As for the alleged extraterrestrial warming, there is extremely little evidence of a global climate change on Mars. The only piece I'm aware of is a series of photographs of a single icy region in the southern hemisphere that shows melting over a six year period (about three Martian years).

Here on earth we have direct measurements from all over the globe, widespread glacial retreat, reduction of sea ice, and satellite measurements of the lower troposphere up to the stratosphere. To compare this mountain of data to a few photographs of a single region on another planet strains credulity. And in fact, the relevant scientists believe the observation described above is the result of a regional change caused by Mars' own orbital cycles, like what happened during the earth's glacial cycles.
 
Feel free to throw these kooky BS pseudoscientific criticisms out. There isn't one that sticks.
 
So you believe there is enough evidence of a warming trend on Mars based on a few photographs of one region of the planet, but think there is insufficient evidence of warming on Earth despite temperature readings all over the globe for 100 years? Fascinating.


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Big Mother Fin' Papa Vol. When he is quoted, that is how he must be addressed, so sayeth some post from an argument with a Canadian Vol fan, circa October 2010.

Thanks for this. I've been calling him BPV incorrectly for quite some time. :thumbsup:
 

NASA claimed the ice caps on Mars were melting
and there is evidence Jupiter is warming also.

This all points to solar activity rather than
atmospheric conditions.


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1934 has long been considered the warmest year
of the past century. A decade ago, the closest
challenger appeared to be 1998, a super-el nino
year, but it trailed 1934 by 0.54°C (0.97°F).

Since then, NASA GISS has “adjusted” the U.S.
data for 1934 downward and 1998 upward
(see
December 25, 2010 post by Ira Glickstein) in an
attempt to make 1998 warmer than 1934 and
seemingly erased the original rather large lead of
1934 over 1998.
The last phases of the strong
2009-2010 el nino in early 2010 made this year
another possible contender for the warmest year
of the century. However, December 2010 has
been one of the coldest Decembers in a century
in many parts of the world, so 2010 probably
won’t be warmer than 1998.

But does it really matter? Regardless of which
year wins the temperature adjustment battle,
how significant will that be? To answer that
question, we need to look at a much longer time
frame; centuries and millennia.

easterbrook_fig2.png


Have your ever heard of the Roman warm period,
the dark age cool period, the medieval warm period
and the little ice age???

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easterbrook_fig41.jpg


So where do the 1934/1998/2010 warm years rank
in the long-term list of warm years? Of the past
10,500 years, 9,100 were warmer than 1934/1998/2010.

Thus, regardless of which year ( 1934, 1998,
or 2010) turns out to be the warmest of the
past century, that year will rank number 9,099
in the long-term list.


The climate has been warming slowly since the Little
Ice Age, but it has quite a ways to go yet before
reaching the temperature levels that persisted for
nearly all of the past 10,500 years.
 
Wow, the above post is also on the previous page.
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So is the clown.

What I posted has far more to do with realistic
consideration of CO2 than some dumb and dumber
discussion.

I think I'll put it on this page alsom maybe you and
dumber will be able to absuorb is some day.


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1934 has long been considered the warmest year
of the past century. A decade ago, the closest
challenger appeared to be 1998, a super-el nino
year, but it trailed 1934 by 0.54°C (0.97°F).

Since then, NASA GISS has “adjusted” the U.S.
data for 1934 downward and 1998 upward
(see
December 25, 2010 post by Ira Glickstein) in an
attempt to make 1998 warmer than 1934 and
seemingly erased the original rather large lead of
1934 over 1998.
The last phases of the strong
2009-2010 el nino in early 2010 made this year
another possible contender for the warmest year
of the century. However, December 2010 has
been one of the coldest Decembers in a century
in many parts of the world, so 2010 probably
won’t be warmer than 1998.

But does it really matter? Regardless of which
year wins the temperature adjustment battle,
how significant will that be? To answer that
question, we need to look at a much longer time
frame; centuries and millennia.

easterbrook_fig2.png


Have your ever heard of the Roman warm period,
the dark age cool period, the medieval warm period
and the little ice age???

easterbrook_fig3.jpg



easterbrook_fig41.jpg


So where do the 1934/1998/2010 warm years rank
in the long-term list of warm years? Of the past
10,500 years, 9,100 were warmer than 1934/1998/2010.

Thus, regardless of which year ( 1934, 1998,
or 2010) turns out to be the warmest of the
past century, that year will rank number 9,099
in the long-term list.


The climate has been warming slowly since the Little
Ice Age, but it has quite a ways to go yet before
reaching the temperature levels that persisted for
nearly all of the past 10,500 years.
 
So is the clown.

What I posted has far more to do with realistic
consideration of CO2 than some dumb and dumber
discussion.

Really, the clown has more to do with "realistic" CO2 discussion than my Dumb & Dumber joke?

Because that is what we were making fun of, you Bozo.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
1934 wasn't the warmest year of the last century, globally. Only for the continental US. Huge difference when talking about GLOBAL climate change, don't you think gsvol?


1998 is the warmest year on record. 2010 may end up being close when it's all tallied up, though.
 
1934 wasn't the warmest year of the last century, globally. Only for the continental US. Huge difference when talking about GLOBAL climate change, don't you think gsvol?


1998 is the warmest year on record. 2010 may end up being close when it's all tallied up, though.

GISS data is in press with 2010 as tops.

I haven't heard what NOAA and UEA have said yet. They're all good. I just love NASA though, so I roll with them.

Although I know UEA had 2005 as #2, GISS did rank 2005 hotter than 1998.
 
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Really, the clown has more to do with "realistic" CO2 discussion than my Dumb & Dumber joke?

Because that is what we were making fun of, you Bozo.
Posted via VolNation Mobile

Gibbs is the Bozo in this equation.

You need to average out everyone's telephone number, dial that number up and see if it connects you with something hot.

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1934 wasn't the warmest year of the last century, globally. Only for the continental US. Huge difference when talking about GLOBAL climate change, don't you think gsvol?


1998 is the warmest year on record. 2010 may end up being close when it's all tallied up, though.


1934 waa the warmest of the last century before Hansen 'adjusted' 1934 downward and 1998 upward.

According to NCDC’s own data, 2010 was not the warmest year in the United States, nor even a tie | Watts Up With That?

2010 is quite a ways down,
ranking 94th out of 116.

according-to-ncdcs-own-data-2010-was-not-the-warmest-year-in-the-usa-nor-even-a-tie
 
Read the title of your own link. It says "warmest year in the United States."

The thing about data from GISS and others who are promoting AGW is that data from China and Russia are suspect at best and some has proven to be fraudulent, not only that remotte areas where there is little monitering have up to 25 percent of their areas with no acutal observation stations and the temps are 'estimated.

Add to that even in the US who has probably the best, many observations stations have been enroached upon by such things as being now placed near air conditioned exausts etc.

Now look at the claim that 2010 is the hottest year on record and consider the real record and you find that 2010 is in the lower 10 percent of the last ten thousand years and you find that agw alarmist rhetoric is laughable at best.
 
Whatever. Always a conspiracy. Even if 1934 were the hottest year "in the world" because it conveniently was for the US (that's stupid logic, btw), it would jsut make it an outlier in a trend that still shows warming. It wouldn't change anything. Right?
 
The thing about data from GISS and others who are promoting AGW is that data from China and Russia are suspect at best and some has proven to be fraudulent, not only that remotte areas where there is little monitering have up to 25 percent of their areas with no acutal observation stations and the temps are 'estimated.

Add to that even in the US who has probably the best, many observations stations have been enroached upon by such things as being now placed near air conditioned exausts etc.

Now look at the claim that 2010 is the hottest year on record and consider the real record and you find that 2010 is in the lower 10 percent of the last ten thousand years and you find that agw alarmist rhetoric is laughable at best.

I think you are thinking about UEA regarding China. I do not like the way UEA handled the email hack. However, the data from Phil Jones et al has been substantiated by several other groups now.

I especially didn't like the comments of "changing what peer review means" in the hacked emails. I don't think they should be reviewing any papers in future. However, the UEA data has withstood trials by other scientsts.

It is absolutely laughable to think 2010 is in the lowest 10% of the last 10,000 years. Absolute bunk.
 
The thing about data from GISS and others who are promoting AGW is that data from China and Russia are suspect at best and some has proven to be fraudulent, not only that remotte areas where there is little monitering have up to 25 percent of their areas with no acutal observation stations and the temps are 'estimated.

Add to that even in the US who has probably the best, many observations stations have been enroached upon by such things as being now placed near air conditioned exausts etc.

Now look at the claim that 2010 is the hottest year on record and consider the real record and you find that 2010 is in the lower 10 percent of the last ten thousand years and you find that agw alarmist rhetoric is laughable at best.

I think you are thinking about UEA regarding China. I do not like the way UEA handled the email hack. However, the data from Phil Jones et al has been substantiated by several other groups now.

I especially didn't like the comments of "changing what peer review means" in the hacked emails. I don't think they should be reviewing any papers in future. However, the UEA data has withstood trials by other scientsts.

It is absolutely laughable to think 2010 is in the lowest 10% of the last 10,000 years. Absolute bunk.
 
Whatever. Always a conspiracy. Even if 1934 were the hottest year "in the world" because it conveniently was for the US (that's stupid logic, btw), it would jsut make it an outlier in a trend that still shows warming. It wouldn't change anything. Right?

2010 is nowhere near the hottest year on Earth, even since the last ice age, does that change anything??



It is absolutely laughable to think 2010 is in the lowest 10% of the last 10,000 years. Absolute bunk.

Where do you rate 2010 percentagewise in the last 10,500 years.

Saying that 2010 is the hottest year ever is ludicrous at best.
 
2010 is nowhere near the hottest year on Earth, even since the last ice age, does that change anything??





Where do you rate 2010 percentagewise in the last 10,500 years.

Saying that 2010 is the hottest year ever is ludicrous at best.

Well, if it weren't 2005 would be followed by 1998.

But, it turns out 2010 has tied 2005 as the hottest year ever recorded by surface measurements, globally (not the United States-- I know it's a difficult concept for you).

2010 tied for Earth's warmest year on record - USATODAY.com

It also tied 1998 for warmest year ever recorded by satellite measurements.

So... Ya. I guess it's part of an elaborate conspiracy.
 
Well, if it weren't 2005 would be followed by 1998.

But, it turns out 2010 has tied 2005 as the hottest year ever recorded by surface measurements, globally (not the United States-- I know it's a difficult concept for you).

2010 tied for Earth's warmest year on record - USATODAY.com

It also tied 1998 for warmest year ever recorded by satellite measurements.

So... Ya. I guess it's part of an elaborate conspiracy.

When did we start recording surface measurements?
 
And the guys who parsed together where and when we had Stevenson Boxes (the Father of John L Stevenson invented them), and who built a database around 60,000,000 sea surface temperature measurements deserve a medal.
 

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