Attention Budget Commandos..

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get some.

"Love them or hate them, multinationals are here to stay. By 2008, IBM, Caterpillar, and all U.S. multinationals had invested $3.2 trillion abroad; meanwhile, Toyota, Siemens, and other foreign companies had invested $2.2 trillion here. Waging war against multinationals is senseless. As Dartmouth economist Matthew Slaughter notes, they represent a huge source of well-paid jobs and advanced technology. Indeed, countries compete for them by cutting corporate tax rates. Ireland’s is a puny 12.5 percent.

We’ve ignored this competition. Our top corporate tax rate of 35 percent is one of the highest. Europe’s average is closer to 25 percent. Meanwhile, successive presidents and Congresses cut the capital-gains rate from 28 percent under President Reagan to 20 percent and then 15 percent. In 2003, Congress cut the rate on dividends, once taxed as ordinary income, to 15 percent.

That’s all backward, say three economists from the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. We should lower the tax on corporations. That would make the United States more attractive to U.S. and foreign multinationals. We should then raise taxes on the people who receive the benefits of corporate profits. The economists suggest cutting the corporate rate to 26 percent and increasing the capital-gains rate to 28 percent; dividends would be taxed as ordinary income. If done properly, this switch would create jobs, lower tax avoidance, and cut budget deficits. Eliminating unwarranted business tax breaks could raise extra revenues."

Disclaimer: I don't know squat about economics. I did everything I could to not even walk by business classes while at UT. I did, however, find this quote on tax policy interesting after reading on here 1) We need corporate tax to be lowered for job creation and 2) Lowering taxes on the wealthiest percentile creates job growth through re-investment. It seems we can't have it both ways. Flame shield engaged.
 
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Given what GE has done, after loopholes I bet we have some of the lowest in the world.
 
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I was gonna say, tell that to GE.

And that's the way SSE is supposed to work, but hopefully you can find it hard to understand why people don't trust corporate CO's to do the right thing after stuff like that ^^, and stories from this decade past with the likes of Enron, Tyco, dudes recreating Augusta in their back yard, etc.
 
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The quote came from an article concerning GE. Evidently, multi-nationals are able to shift profit to underpreforming subsidiaries to escape tax burdens, etc. Apparently, GE was able to show a net loss in US entities thus elluding tax payments.
 
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Dropping the rate to between 20-25% and eliminating all loopholes should do the trick.
 
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GE's CEO has a cozy relationship with Obama, and their skirting of taxes garners little attention. Exxon/Mobil, in one year, paid more in business taxes than 50% of all US taxpayers combined and because they're an oil company, they're evil cronies of the Bush family empire.

A Fair Tax, based on consumption, not income, would eliminate all this garbage.
 
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Scrapping the whole tax system for a consumption-only tax might spark a revolt... I say that half-jokingly.

Go read the article I posted about capping AGI-based tax exemption/reduction of marginal tax rates.
 
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Forgive me for not feeling sorry for Exxon/Mobile. They do just fine. They provide a product that for all practical purposes, just about everybody needs in some fasion. Where they don't get a fair shake, IMO, is being able to go get it where it is cheapest.
 
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I wasn't asking anybody to feel sorry for Exxon/Mobil, I was just saying that any single company that pays over 30 billion bucks in taxes, in a single, year, shouldn't be made a convenient scapegoat for what is wrong with corporate America.
 
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I wasn't asking anybody to feel sorry for Exxon/Mobil, I was just saying that any single company that pays over 30 billion bucks in taxes, in a single, year, shouldn't be made a convenient scapegoat for what is wrong with corporate America.

There is much wrong with corporate America, but much good also. I agree Exxon gets the bad rap a lot, but again, they make a ton of money providing something most people simply can't do without. Bad rap or not, these mega oil companies watch the news and then laugh all the way to the bank.
 
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Technically, it is not fair to tax any business because a business cannot vote.
 
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I am no economist either, but I would like something explained without partisan speeches. Why was the economy booming under Clinton when the corporate tax rate was 39% and we went in the tank when it was lowered?
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I am no economist either, but I would like something explained without partisan speeches. Why was the economy booming under Clinton when the corporate tax rate was 39% and we went in the tank when it was lowered?
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Pre nafta is a very big start. It was ratified under him, started by the first Bush failure, and didn't really get going until the end of Clinton's era. It has hurt the country alot and almost everyone who helped pass it admits it wasn't a great idea.
 
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Folks making a lot of money off the .com bubble.

That's what I thought but....

We had the housing bubble in the 2000's and the economy was still slowing. It hadn't tanked yet, but it was slowing.
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I'm gonna get lynched for this comment but here it goes. This country is over 350 million. being an isolationist nation might not be a bad thing.
 

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