Ayanna Patterson 2022

[37620VOL]

Everyone agrees she was not rated as high as appropriate coming out. But, if you average those ratings, she was rated higher than anyone in our 2021 class.

I was just needling. I actually don't mind Darth.

 

[Bballnut1952]

I definitely see your point. I think part of our issue is that Tennessee and it's integrity doesn't allow it to do some of the things that other programs do consistently and one is we wont get in bed with some of these AAU programs that sell their players to the highest bidder which is what is leading to a lot of these transfers. Many players aren't going to programs they want to go to but rather programs they are told they "have" to go to because of what is offered to the AAU coach/program that has got them to that point. I think things will get better with Kellie because she will build a team and not a group of individuals trying to play as a team.

I guess I'm just naive.

I'd like to know what programs you are saying do without integrity and get in bed with AAY programs that sell their players.

And what players allow an AAU team to tell them where to go and actually go to that school.

How do you even know these things?

 

[sisaq]

This. Howard's composite ranking was still considerably higher than anyone Kellie has ever successfully recruited.

And if Harper can't land Cori Allen and/or Jaloni Cambridge from her own backyard, that should be a fireable offense...

Omg pls pls pls let's leave Kellie to coach this ball.. Kilon-Womi... Means, what's going onnnm

 

[mlindsay]

I guess I'm just naive.

I'd like to know what programs you are saying do without integrity and get in bed with AAY programs that sell their players.

And what players allow an AAU team to tell them where to go and actually go to that school.

How do you even know these things?

I've seen it first hand

 

[Bballnut1952]

I've seen it first hand

Well, since you've seen it first hand, I'm sure you can answer my first two questions.

1. What programs you are saying do without integrity and get in bed with AAU programs that sell their players?

2. What players allow an AAU team to tell them where to go and actually go to that school?

 

[NeedOrange]

This. Howard's composite ranking was still considerably higher than anyone Kellie has ever successfully recruited.

And if Harper can't land Cori Allen and/or Jaloni Cambridge from her own backyard, that should be a fireable offense...

Over the top again, eh Darth

 

[Coach Jumper]

Over the top again, eh Darth

 

[PRG]

This. Howard's composite ranking was still considerably higher than anyone Kellie has ever successfully recruited.

And if Harper can't land Cori Allen and/or Jaloni Cambridge from her own backyard, that should be a fireable offense...

This is such a crock of __it ! Talking about Cori and Jaloni ! First of all they are both point guards .... Jaloni could have picked her college when she was a eight grader starting in high school ! She will have her choice of any school she wants ! Her oldest sister plays for Vandy and I think she has two other siblings playing with her now .... This is definitely an elite player ....

Cori is a year different and I doubt that she would pick UT ? So your premise is pretty much an impossible feat! I am hearing that Norte Dame is her dream school ! So there’s that .

If we could get either one of these ladies ? I think a minor miracle ! JMO

Why don’t you pick something reasonable like Kobe Bryant and GiGi coming back to life and her choosing UT instead of UConn !

 

[Darth_Vol]

This is such a crock of __it ! Talking about Cori and Jaloni ! First of all they are both point guards .... Jaloni could have picked her college when she was a eight grader starting in high school ! She will have her choice of any school she wants ! Her oldest sister plays for Vandy and I think she has two other siblings playing with her now .... This is definitely an elite player ....

Cori is a year different and I doubt that she would pick UT ? So your premise is pretty much an impossible feat! I am hearing that Norte Dame is her dream school ! So there’s that .

If we could get either one of these ladies ? I think a minor miracle ! JMO

Why don’t you pick something reasonable like Kobe Bryant and GiGi coming back to life and her choosing UT instead of UConn !

If elite talent from TN has no interest in playing for the University of Tennessee by that point, then Kellie has massively failed at her job. Period.

 

[PRG]

If elite talent from TN has no interest in playing for the University of Tennessee by that point, then Kellie has massively failed at her job. Period.

These kids/families have other things to consider other than a coach . If I was Catholic , I want my kids to go to Norte Dame ! If not Catholic , then Stanford would be my choice as both schools are high academic and basketball is not a lifetime occupation!
What if we ( as a family) are moving to a different state and want our child to stay close so we can go see them ? I could go on but it’s Darth ..... I know , I know , wasting my time !

 

[Amb3096]

These kids/families have other things to consider other than a coach . If I was Catholic , I want my kids to go to Norte Dame ! If not Catholic , then Stanford would be my choice as both schools are high academic and basketball is not a lifetime occupation!
What if we ( as a family) are moving to a different state and want our child to stay close so we can go see them ? I could go on but it’s Darth ..... I know , I know , wasting my time !

Bingo. Bottom line is that schools with strong academics and basketball programs will always have the edge attracting students who have a strong academic interests. Not to say that other schools can't compete, but it's hard to deny the built in advantages. Even Duke and Vandy recruit above their basketball program's results. Tennessee needs to improve their results so that the strength of the basketball program becomes a differentiator when competing against academic powerhouses.

 

[Darth_Vol]

wasting my time !

Yes I've already heard all the excuses of why Kellie sucks as a recruiter and it is indeed a waste to hear the same excuses for potential recruits years away you've already conceded to other schools.

See? We agree again...

 

[Darth_Vol]

Bingo. Bottom line is that schools with strong academics and basketball programs will always have the edge attracting students who have a strong academic interests. Not to say that other schools can't compete, but it's hard to deny the built in advantages. Even Duke and Vandy recruit above their basketball program's results. Tennessee needs to improve their results so that the strength of the basketball program becomes a differentiator when competing against academic powerhouses.

This is about Tennessee girls wanting to play for Tennessee. It used to be a given, and it needs to get back to that. I'm sure Kellie of all people gets that...

 

[Amb3096]

This is about Tennessee girls wanting to play for Tennessee. It used to be a given, and it needs to get back to that. I'm sure Kellie of all people gets that...

It used to be a given because Tennessee was the premier women's basketball program. They aren't anymore, and haven't been for a long time...and that's not Kellie's fault.

She has to start winning big games first. If she's able to do that and get Tennessee back in the hunt for FFs and NCs and the elite in-state kids are still not interested, then I'd consider it more of a problem at that point compared to Kellie's 2nd year with the program.

 

[Coach Jumper]

These kids/families have other things to consider other than a coach . If I was Catholic , I want my kids to go to Norte Dame ! If not Catholic , then Stanford would be my choice as both schools are high academic and basketball is not a lifetime occupation!
What if we ( as a family) are moving to a different state and want our child to stay close so we can go see them ? I could go on but it’s Darth ..... I know , I know , wasting my time !

 

[PRG]

Yes I've already heard all the excuses of why Kellie sucks as a recruiter and it is indeed a waste to hear the same excuses for potential recruits years away you've already conceded to other schools.

See? We agree again...

Kids want to play for winning programs ! We used to be that ..... until Pat got sick and then passed ! Then the people in charge gave this storied program to Holly? I watched the demise of this program with horror .... How long will it take Kellie to right this ship ?
We witnessed our top recruiting classes get beat by the lowly SEC teams like Alabama , and even Vanderbilt!!!!!

We finally had one year in a row (with Kellie ) and won all of the games we were supposed to win ! (First time in many years )! Everyone forgets Kelly was able to keep the Jordan’s and Key , etc. they could have left but she convinced them she could win with them and some time to recruit a little help . She re recruited these players. Should Kellie be blamed for Evina..... (she was leaving before Kellie was hired ) JMO Should we blame Kellie for Green’s poor judgement ? That’s TWO TOP TEN PLAYERS ..... leaving the program before playing a season for Kellie ! Just saying

After a Pandemic ending year .... she got NEEDED POSITIONAL PLAYERS ! And she got some complementary players late in the recruiting year ! She has some ranked players coming in 21 and even in 22.... Let’s see how she does in her SECOND YEAR of competition before we condemn the whole program . Surely she deserves more than one year to show an improved program ! “ If you build it they will come “ JMO

 

[Darth_Vol]

She has to start winning big games first. If she's able to do that and get Tennessee back in the hunt for FFs and NCs and the elite in-state kids are still not interested, then I'd consider it more of a problem at that point compared to Kellie's 2nd year with the program.

I agree, and that was my main point. The timeframe for these recruits to make their decisions would be around year 4 for Kellie. If top level recruits, particularly in-state top level recruits, are still not giving her the time of day by that point... fireable offense. Hell, one of the recruit's dad played basketball at Tennessee!

 

[NeedOrange]

This is about Tennessee girls wanting to play for Tennessee. It used to be a given, and it needs to get back to that. I'm sure Kellie of all people gets that...

Myopic and parochial understanding of recruiting in the current environment. Tennessee got whoever they wanted whenPat coached because there was only Tennessee and few girls who played. Now there is a smorgasbord of great programs each with a different offering for kids to consider. The top academic school is a top program, A top Catholic schools is a top program. A top Baptist school is a top program. Even Syracuse can boast of putting people on TV with their school of communications. South Carolina has one of the top international business school in the country. UConn has been designated a "Public Ivy" in The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities. Each year less the 15 kids make the WNBA. This means unless you are among the very best basketball players, you need to get a degree that will make you some money. UT is ranked 52nd among Public Universities and 112th overall. So if my daughter is looking for a school, I hope she is mature enough to look at the long term consequences of her choice. I know some of you are going to come at me for this post and I put it here knowing that fact. But not everything about recruiting is within KJH's control and she's a good coach and IMO opinion will be proven to be a great coach and doesn't deserve the flak she gets from some people who don't understand the players of today.

 

[Darth_Vol]

Yeah it's really hard to take your opinion seriously when you're talking out of both sides of your ***....

TN is not like Texas where you have 5 or 6 major programs competing for the same in state talent. Lady Vols are the big fish not only in TN but in the all the neighboring states. Quality TN players leaving the state should be the rare exception (Crystal Dangerfield). So yes, IMHO, there should be questions raised in KJH does not get top players residing in TN. Evidently McCray is all over Allen for Ms. State.

Myopic and parochial understanding of recruiting in the current environment. Tennessee got whoever they wanted whenPat coached because there was only Tennessee and few girls who played. Now there is a smorgasbord of great programs each with a different offering for kids to consider.

 

[NeedOrange]

Yeah it's really hard to take your opinion seriously when you're talking out of both sides of your ***....

It's simply because you don't understand what I mean when I say questions raised. The questions should be is how seriously was a LV offer considered. How strong did the LV coaches pursue the player. What are the reasons for the player's choice. These are some of the questions that should be raised. As in life it is important to understand the reasons for your failures as well as your successes. But this is in deference to your comments that if KJH doesn't get these players she should be fired. You're comments seem to always black or white, mostly black. You said if she doesn't get these two players she should be fired. That is an extreme position and I wanted to point out that the players today have options. Also i am honored that you follow my posts so closely, i will try to add more substantiation in the future.

 

[mlindsay]

Well, since you've seen it first hand, I'm sure you can answer my first two questions.

1. What programs you are saying do without integrity and get in bed with AAU programs that sell their players?

2. What players allow an AAU team to tell them where to go and actually go to that school?

I am not going to list the programs nor the players but I will say look at the programs who have mass exodus out of nowhere, many of these same programs are contacting players after they have signed their NLOI trying to convince them to leave their current team and join theirs. Many of these exodus have nothing to do with coaching changes.

Whether you believe me or not, it happens.

 

[volnationnj]

I am not going to list the programs nor the players but I will say look at the programs who have mass exodus out of nowhere, many of these same programs are contacting players after they have signed their NLOI trying to convince them to leave their current team and join theirs. Many of these exodus have nothing to do with coaching changes.

Whether you believe me or not, it happens.

I hope having a mass exodus of players is not the criteria for deciding which universities are "in bed with AAU programs".

 

[Bballnut1952]

I am not going to list the programs nor the players but I will say look at the programs who have mass exodus out of nowhere, many of these same programs are contacting players after they have signed their NLOI trying to convince them to leave their current team and join theirs. Many of these exodus have nothing to do with coaching changes.

Whether you believe me or not, it happens.

Yeah, I’ll trust you on this....lol.

You have basically impugned the reputation of many Div I programs by not naming names, not to say all the great young women in WCBB that you say would go where their AAU team tells them to go.

Mass exodus out of nowhere?

Does Zaay Greene, Mimi Collins, and Jasmine Massengill constitute a mass exodus? I can name more if you’d like.

Maybe you witnessed one player, maybe even two pick a school that their AAU team told them to go to. Maybe. But you are implying that this is rampant in WCBB.

Bull.

 

[Orange Maniac]

Yeah, I’ll trust you on this....lol.

You have basically impugned the reputation of many Div I programs by not naming names, not to say all the great young women in WCBB that you say would go where their AAU team tells them to go.

Mass exodus out of nowhere?

Does Zaay Greene, Mimi Collins, and Jasmine Massengill constitute a mass exodus? I can name more if you’d like.

Maybe you witnessed one player, maybe even two pick a school that their AAU team told them to go to. Maybe. But you are implying that this is rampant in WCBB.

Bull.

Zaay was a totally different situation than the other two. Being shown the door is not the same as running out the door.

 

[lfvol]

Myopic and parochial understanding of recruiting in the current environment. Tennessee got whoever they wanted whenPat coached because there was only Tennessee and few girls who played. Now there is a smorgasbord of great programs each with a different offering for kids to consider. The top academic school is a top program, A top Catholic schools is a top program. A top Baptist school is a top program. Even Syracuse can boast of putting people on TV with their school of communications. South Carolina has one of the top international business school in the country. UConn has been designated a "Public Ivy" in The Public Ivies: America's Flagship Public Universities. Each year less the 15 kids make the WNBA. This means unless you are among the very best basketball players, you need to get a degree that will make you some money. UT is ranked 52nd among Public Universities and 112th overall. So if my daughter is looking for a school, I hope she is mature enough to look at the long term consequences of her choice. I know some of you are going to come at me for this post and I put it here knowing that fact. But not everything about recruiting is within KJH's control and she's a good coach and IMO opinion will be proven to be a great coach and doesn't deserve the flak she gets from some people who don't understand the players of today.

Recruiting has been competitive for 20-25 years and we continued to get elite kids through HW’s term astoundingly. Maybe KJH will too. She hasn’t yet though and she did not at her other P5 stop.

Players leaving happens especially with a new staff. But, when combined with poor review of her experience from Lou Brown, recruits or their parents may have a concern.