Bachmann says quake, Hurricane, are God trying to get our attention

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Gore has some pretty concrete objective evidence to back him up.

If Michelle ends up as the next president, I'll need no further convincing about her assertion, however.
 
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BelAirVol said:
No

It's a matter of either believing a majority of experts or believing in a minority of true believers.
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No. It is a matter of faith on both accounts. Consensus never proves the truth of something. Gore is now talking about civil rights for "Mother Nature".
 
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BelAirVol said:
No

It's a matter of either believing a majority of experts or believing in a minority of true believers.
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if Al Gore truly believes those experts, why does he traipse about the globe in private jets? Why did he just build a multi-million dollar mansion near the California coast? Why does his home in Tennessee use more electricity than 100 normal houses combined?

if your answer is going to be, "but, he purchases offsets" try again. Al Gore purchasing offsets to alleviate his guilt is just like a pedophile priest going into a confessional.
 
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sjt18 said:
She is singled out and mocked... but when guys like Gore say the earth is telling us to change... he's honored as a prophet.... I guess it is just a matter to which religion and deity you ascribe to, huh?
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When she says that she is claiming that an intelligent being controls the universe and everything in it and in order to complain to us about budget deficits and too much homosexuality has chosen to cause an earthquake and a hurricane. It seems a real stretch since presumably He could be a bit more direct.

When Gore says that, he's not implying there is some intelligent being choosing a path. He's saying the consequences of the path we are on is stress on the environment, which is reacting to that stress and the reaction "tells us" that we need to consider how we deal with the environment.

The two are not really very comparable all. I mean, the budget deficit doesn't have anything to do with hurricanes. Or does it and I'm missing something?
 
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jvol1 said:
Gore has some pretty concrete objective evidence to back him up.
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Really? What evidence? What has occurred within the last 100 years that has not happened cyclically for all of natural history? Man's activities will have some very minute impact.... but they always have. Living things produce bi-products that impact the environment. That is not a new "phenomenon". However that impact is roughly on the order of a scout team player's individual impact on a national championship in football.... and that's probably too generous. IIRC, 99% of green house gases are NATURALLY PRODUCED... and that is before you consider other factors like sun activity.
 
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lawgator1 said:
When she says that she is claiming that an intelligent being controls the universe and everything in it and in order to complain to us about budget deficits and too much homosexuality has chosen to cause an earthquake and a hurricane. It seems a real stretch since presumably He could be a bit more direct.
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How much more direct would you want?

I'm not agreeing with her... just asking what you are in fact looking for.

When Gore says that, he's not implying there is some intelligent being choosing a path. He's saying the consequences of the path we are on is stress on the environment, which is reacting to that stress and the reaction "tells us" that we need to consider how we deal with the environment.
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Oh. So what you are saying is that if you do the EXACT same thing but de-personalize it... then it is fine. It is only when you assign an active deity that it becomes a problem, right?

That shows nothing more than your bias... not proof for or against either person.

The two are not really very comparable all. I mean, the budget deficit doesn't have anything to do with hurricanes. Or does it and I'm missing something?
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Someone seriously said that the earthquake was due to climate change. In fact, what doesn't the whacky environut crowd not attribute to climate change these days?

I am old enough to remember when these same nuts... errrr, experts... or else their intellectual/academic progenitors assured us that pollution was going to cause such a drastic fall in temperatures that chaos would ensue. Didn't happen.

It is a verified FACT that the global climate is changing... but it has ALWAYS been changing. The disconnect is the strained "proofs" suggesting that human activity is the primary or even a major factor. It isn't.
 
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sjt18 said:
How much more direct would you want?

I'm not agreeing with her... just asking what you are in fact looking for.
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I don't know.

I am not saying that God is not responsible for hurricanes and earthquakes. If pressed, I suppose I would say that He created the world and everything in it and so therefore its His will. Do I think he pressed the "Earthquake" button on his remote control? I have a harder time with that, but in my world/religious view it is possible.

Where I start really scratching my head is the notion that God wreaks down upon us seemingly random natural disasters to signal us to cool it. If you believe in the destruction of cities or towns based on their poor morality in the Old Testament, okay. But that is where He either announced what He was going to do in advance or claimed responsibility for it later and explained then why He did it.

I just have a hard time believing that Michelle Bachmann has some sort of divine inspiration to tell us human beings that God caused Hurricane Irene specifically to let us know that He's pissed about too many homosexuals.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I don't know.

I am not saying that God is not responsible for hurricanes and earthquakes. If pressed, I suppose I would say that He created the world and everything in it and so therefore its His will. Do I think he pressed the "Earthquake" button on his remote control? I have a harder time with that, but in my world/religious view it is possible.

Where I start really scratching my head is the notion that God wreaks down upon us seemingly random natural disasters to signal us to cool it. If you believe in the destruction of cities or towns based on their poor morality in the Old Testament, okay. But that is where He either announced what He was going to do in advance or claimed responsibility for it later and explained then why He did it.

I just have a hard time believing that Michelle Bachmann has some sort of divine inspiration to tell us human beings that God caused Hurricane Irene specifically to let us know that He's pissed about too many homosexuals.
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Agree... completely.

FWIW, I think Robertson does a terrible disservice to evangelicals when he promotes things like this... of course I think he does the same when he closes his eyes and says he senses someone with a hearing problem in need of prayer... and such stuff as that.

I don't assign him much more credibility than Benny Hinn or Joel Osteen.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
people like lg are going to orgasm over this....joking or not she doesnt have charisma to play it off
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And just think, people like LG were in Bachman's camp before this soundbite. Now, LG and his crew will have to find another GOP candidate to pull for. :crazy:
 
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So will someone please post a stupid comment by a left wing idiot every day to balance out LG's obsession with Bachman? I mean there's plenty to choose from.
 
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Bachmann is an idiot. We've known this for awhile now. Time to start focusing on canidates who actually have a chance.
 
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volinbham said:
Saw the video - it was clearly a joke.
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Yeah. I bet the good people of Vermont are laughing their asses off about it. Oh, wait, scratch that. Many of them are without power, or homes for that matter, due to this hurricane that was sent strictly as a political/moral message.
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Regulator said:
Yeah. I bet the good people of Vermont are laughing their asses off about it. Oh, wait, scratch that. Many of them are without power, or homes for that matter, due to this hurricane that was sent strictly as a political/moral message.
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ah, the sweet smell of sanctimonious rage
 
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MG1968 said:
ah, the sweet smell of sanctimonious rage
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Whether she was joking or not makes no difference to me. Statement never should have been made to begin with, but she tends to do such things on a regular basis. Can't wait to get her thoughts on the 9/11 anniversary coming up.
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Regulator said:
Yeah. I bet the good people of Vermont are laughing their asses off about it. Oh, wait, scratch that. Many of them are without power, or homes for that matter, due to this hurricane that was sent strictly as a political/moral message.
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alrighty then
 
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altidore17 said:
Bachmann is an idiot. We've known this for awhile now. Time to start focusing on canidates who actually have a chance.
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Bachmann isn't an idiot. However she may not be qualified experience or leadership wise. If being unqualified were a disqualifier though then Obama would have never been elected.
 
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