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JayVols said:
Double standards in politics are as American as apple pie. I agree with what you are saying. I don't hate Mormons. I just don't agree with them.
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Agree on commonality of double standards - they still suck.

On the larger issue, I personally don't care what a candidate's religious beliefs are unless they will make decisions based on those beliefs rather than the Constitution. If there was a fiscally conservative, socially moderate Muslim candidate I could easily vote for them.
 
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EvanStalcup1990 said:
Cain 2012
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I really can't see him gaining the necessary traction. Too much of an outsider.

I know many boast about being an outsider, but at the end of the day, I really feel that most people want someone with some government experience.
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JayVols said:
I really can't see him gaining the necessary traction. Too much of an outsider.

I know many boast about being an outsider, but at the end of the day, I really feel that most people want someone with some government experience.
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Romney is the best experience candidate out there - including Obama. Executive leadership in both the private sector and government.
 
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volinbham said:
Agree on commonality of double standards - they still suck.

On the larger issue, I personally don't care what a candidate's religious beliefs are unless they will make decisions based on those beliefs rather than the Constitution. If there was a fiscally conservative, socially moderate Muslim candidate I could easily vote for them.
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That is a good way of putting it. That's pretty much my feeling, actually. The underwear crack was poor judgement on my part, I guess.

I would also apply that to a candidate's personal life. As long as the behavior is legal, I am not interested.
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bam15 said:
And the only one that I think will give him a serious run. JMO
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There's something sneaky about Romney's eyes that scares me, lol. I respect people that start their own business, but I am not a huge fan of CEO's of large corporations. I see them as money hungry throat slashers that would sell out their momma for a buck. But that's just me.
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JayVols said:
There's something sneaky about Romney's eyes that scares me, lol. I respect people that start their own business, but I am not a huge fan of CEO's of large corporations. I see them as money hungry throat slashers that would sell out their momma for a buck. But that's just me.
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Keeping score:

1. You don't trust the judgement of Mormons
2. You think CEO's are murderous mother haters.
 
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volinbham said:
Keeping score:

1. You don't trust the judgement of Mormons
2. You think CEO's are murderous mother haters.
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Lol, pretty much. Sounds like an Oliver Stone film, huh?

Who sold our jobs out to foreign nations for the sake of more and more profit? Several companies are reporting record profits, but unemployment is still above 9%. I don't get it. I admit my lack of financial knowledge, however.
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JayVols said:
Lol, pretty much. Sounds like an Oliver Stone film, huh?

Who sold our jobs out to foreign nations for the sake of more and more profit? Several companies are reporting record profits, but unemployment is still above 9%. I don't get it. I admit my lack of financial knowledge, however.
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John Deere posted record profits as they sent more jobs to India, including my mom's...
 
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Interestingly, several of the R candidates explained policies that would encourage Deere to keep those jobs here; Ron Paul in particular.
 
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VOLatile said:
John Deere posted record profits as they sent more jobs to India, including my mom's...
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Eventually they will get to a point of diminishing returns if they haven't already. As I see it, and I could be wrong, their target market is the US. How do they expect to sell their products here if poeple don't make enough to buy them. It seems upside down to me. This happened before the Great Depression. Not exporting jobs, but insufficient wages to buy the products being produced. Inventories piled up at an alarming rate. Since NAFTA took hold, and other unfavorable trade deals, we are to a degree a service economy. With the way things are going, I am less than convinced that we can maintain our economic status on this type of economy.
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volinbham said:
Interestingly, several of the R candidates explained policies that would encourage Deere to keep those jobs here; Ron Paul in particular.
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I would be VERY interested in that type of candidate.
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volinbham said:
Interestingly, several of the R candidates explained policies that would encourage Deere to keep those jobs here; Ron Paul in particular.
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While Ronnie may be intelligent, has the crew of die-hard supporters, and produces books in droves, he doesn't have a chance and never did.
 
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JayVols said:
Lol, pretty much. Sounds like an Oliver Stone film, huh?

Who sold our jobs out to foreign nations for the sake of more and more profit? Several companies are reporting record profits, but unemployment is still above 9%. I don't get it. I admit my lack of financial knowledge, however.
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Stockholders do not understand humanity. The minute you IPO you can no longer factor humanity into any decision. CEO's of public companies must also continue to grow the assets of the company or they will be outed by the board quicker than a football being pulled away from Charlie Brown.
 
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NEOCON said:
Stockholders do not understand humanity. The minute you IPO you can no longer factor humanity into any decision. CEO's of public companies must also continue to grow the assets of the company or they will be outed by the board quicker than a football being pulled away from Charlie Brown.
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I understand growth. I just see American jobs as an asset. I really think they are cutting their own throats for a short term profit windfall.
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JayVols said:
I understand growth. I just see American jobs as an asset. I really think they are cutting their own throats for a short term profit windfall.
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Define "they"

The average stockholder can't see the trees from the forest. I would also point out that the mjority of Americans are over extended beyond belief and always looking for the cheapest price. When the cheapest price become the driving motivator then business must find a way to get the cheapest price and labor is normally the bulk of overhead. The American population can cry all it wants but they still go to walmart instead of the local business owner to buy stuff so they can save a few extra bucks. You can blame the CEO without blaming a population that lives off credit cards and demands a low price.
 
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NEOCON said:
Define "they"

The average stockholder can't see the trees from the forest. I would also point out that the mjority of Americans are over extended beyond belief and always looking for the cheapest price. When the cheapest price become the driving motivator then business must find a way to get the cheapest price and labor is normally the bulk of overhead. The American population can cry all it wants but they still go to walmart instead of the local business owner to buy stuff so they can save a few extra bucks. You can blame the CEO without blaming a population that lives off credit cards and demands a low price.
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'They'= job exporters.

Blame whoever you want; the current business practices are unsustainable. I rarely go to China-Mart.

It is undeniable that many have spent beyond their means; however, more and more are becoming overextended just to provide the basics. We need jobs. Not just any jobs. Manufacturing jobs with decent pay.
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I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

I own a business. I can ship it oversees and increase my net gain 500%. Why should I keep it here? If I move the business to manila, I will be able to hire employees who are thankful for a job and show up every day happy and ready to work at 3 dollars an hour. Here 12.5 an hour gets me a person who is ungrateful for the job, will call off often, and is stoned or about to get stoned half the time.

If I feed a person in another country who is thankful is that wrong because I should I keep my business here and pay more and make less to feed a bunch of ungrateful employees just because they were born in America?

Just asking.
 
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NEOCON said:
I'm gonna play devil's advocate.

I own a business. I can ship it oversees and increase my net gain 500%. Why should I keep it here? If I move the business to manila, I will be able to hire employees who are thankful for a job and show up every day happy and ready to work at 3 dollars an hour. Here 12.5 an hour gets me a person who is ungrateful for the job, will call off often, and is stoned or about to get stoned half the time.

If I feed a person in another country who is thankful is that wrong because I should I keep my business here and pay more and make less to feed a bunch of ungrateful employees just because they were born in America?

Just asking.
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You would be sacrificing long term viability for short term gain, imo. You make some very valid points, however. Pride in anything is a vanishing quality, and that's as sad as selling out and going overseas. I do subscribe to the idea that ALL of us have some degree of responsibility to our community, state, and country. It is difficult to explain why thousands are having their jobs eliminated while CEO's all over the country are receiving record salaries and bonuses. That is the PR nightmare many companies are facing. That's reality not my opinion. If I had the answers, I wouldn't be on VN b*tching about it. I would be at your country club playing golf with you, lol.
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Seems like it will soon be a two man race: Romney vs. Pawlenty. Everyone else seems way over their head. Pawlenty's problem is money. Romney's problem is a general lack of enthusiasm, even in his own base.
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lawgator1 said:
Seems like it will soon be a two man race: Romney vs. Pawlenty. Everyone else seems way over their head. Pawlenty's problem is money. Romney's problem is a general lack of enthusiasm, even in his own base.
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Don't underestimate Bachman. She can raise money with the best of them and if Pain stays out she'll get the Tea Party support. She's not my first choice but I think she is proving that she's deeper and more formidable than Palin.
 
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GAVol said:
Don't underestimate Bachman. She can raise money with the best of them and if Pain stays out she'll get the Tea Party support. She's not my first choice but I think she is proving that she's deeper and more formidable than Palin.
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My dead cat is deeper and more formidable than Palin.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Seems like it will soon be a two man race: Romney vs. Pawlenty. Everyone else seems way over their head. Pawlenty's problem is money. Romney's problem is a general lack of enthusiasm, even in his own base.
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Lack of enthusiasm? Considering he is leading in polls over Obama, I would look at your own canidate as an exmaple of lack of enthusiasm
 
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