Bad start for Nascar season

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#2
what is jacked about the 500 is the best racing is the last 15-20 laps, and the fans got ripped.
 
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Its hard for me because I still love racing and still watch all of them but I don't love the way NASCAR has done alot over the past 5-7 years especially. I will continue to watch though because its part habit and I still do hope to see some good racing every once in awhile through the year. There are usually honestly only 4-5 GOOD races a year and you never know when they are coming so I just watch all that I can.

Anyway, even though I don't want to see NASCAR fail totally or anything I really wouldn't mind only seeing about 30,000 fans in the stands at California. It would further proove the point that:

1. The track is crap and copying Michigan and running Cup cars on it wasn't the smartest thing to do in the world.

2. The fairweather fans are GONE. The real fans, the one's NASCAR wanted to distance themselves from, are mostly still here. As miserable as the weather is in Rockingham this time of the year they could about outdraw these California races and they were much more interesting.

3. Maybe NASCAR could have at least "looked" like they tried to finish the Daytona 500. Backlash would be good for California. I heard 3 national radio hosts on ESPN Radio yesterday all making fun and blistering NASCAR for what happened Sunday.
 
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DownNDirty said:
Its hard for me because I still love racing and still watch all of them but I don't love the way NASCAR has done alot over the past 5-7 years especially. I will continue to watch though because its part habit and I still do hope to see some good racing every once in awhile through the year. There are usually honestly only 4-5 GOOD races a year and you never know when they are coming so I just watch all that I can.

Anyway, even though I don't want to see NASCAR fail totally or anything I really wouldn't mind only seeing about 30,000 fans in the stands at California. It would further proove the point that:

1. The track is crap and copying Michigan and running Cup cars on it wasn't the smartest thing to do in the world.

2. The fairweather fans are GONE. The real fans, the one's NASCAR wanted to distance themselves from, are mostly still here. As miserable as the weather is in Rockingham this time of the year they could about outdraw these California races and they were much more interesting.

3. Maybe NASCAR could have at least "looked" like they tried to finish the Daytona 500. Backlash would be good for California. I heard 3 national radio hosts on ESPN Radio yesterday all making fun and blistering NASCAR for what happened Sunday.
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very good points. no racing at rockingham is a complete travesty imo. this race at california is a joke.
 
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Daytona is a crap shoot. The best car will never win with the cot cars
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#10
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Not a big fan of the road shows! Mainly because back in the day there were only a few drivers that won them and they would more times than not... dominate them.
 
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#11
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i think there only being 2, it brings a nice change of pace. if they were doing it 8 or 9 times a year, that may be too much.
 
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They could take one California race and one Pocono and replace them with road courses and I would be ok with it. That Montreal course is awesome that the Nationwide guys run on. Plus we have some good tracks here in the US that are roadies. I think Road Atlanta or Elkhart Lake could have good Cup road races. Or, my favorite, the Cleveland airport course. I always loved those races there for the IndyCars.

Some of the most interesting races in the past 3 years have been on the road courses IMO. So I definitely wouldn't mind seeing a couple of stinkers replaced with two more good road courses to round the schedule out. But, that won't ever happen. Or if by some miracle it did then NASCAR would screw it up by having them run the infield courses at Daytona or Las Vegas or some crap like that instead of a "new" Cup track.
 
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I expect to see many empty seats at California, even more than last year. Maybe as many as 20%.

I like road courses, and would like to see one or two more. They would need to be on regular Road Race tracks IMO. I am a biased fan of Mid-Ohio, and I like Road America, but NASCAR doesn't like long tracks. They run the short course at the Glen and shortened up Infineon.
 
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rbroyles said:
I expect to see many empty seats at California, even more than last year. Maybe as many as 20%.

I like road courses, and would like to see one or two more. They would need to be on regular Road Race tracks IMO. I am a biased fan of Mid-Ohio, and I like Road America, but NASCAR doesn't like long tracks. They run the short course at the Glen and shortened up Infineon.
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Watch the Nationwide and Truck races Saturday. I'd be shocked if it's half full. I think 20% for the Sunday show is giving it too much credit.
 
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TennesseeFan07 said:
Watch the Nationwide and Truck races Saturday. I'd be shocked if it's half full. I think 20% for the Sunday show is giving it too much credit.
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Half full for the truck race would have them turning backflips as it would be the largest crowd so far there. I may be a little optimistic in my pessimism of only an 80% house for the Cup race, but I won't be surprised to see even less.
 
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Robin Miller reported they have ONLY sold 21,000 tickets to the CUP race this coming Sunday. God I can only hope that's true and they only get about 25,000 people in the stands there. I'm sure THAT would be the death knell for one of California's two races right there.
 
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DownNDirty said:
Robin Miller reported they have ONLY sold 21,000 tickets to the CUP race this coming Sunday. God I can only hope that's true and they only get about 25,000 people in the stands there. I'm sure THAT would be the death knell for one of California's two races right there.
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The only thing that ticks me off about the lack of attendance and late start time Sunday is the phony debris cautions that will be thrown. That ticks me off more than anything.
 
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i don't necessarily take Robin Miller very seriously, especially when he's talking about NASCAR.
 
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#21
if there's rain i hope they don't do what they did last year and say they'll run the race after midnight.
 
#22
#22
bring back rockingham and willksboro and i will be happy. things went down hill when bill france's health declined
 
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both places would require a fair amount of work to handle a NASCAR event these days. just look at them on a map. nothing but 2 and 4 lane roads.

but i'm with you, Bristol isn't exactly easy to get around on a race weekend and yet they figure it out. night races at North Wilksboro or Rockingham could have potential.
 
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doozer said:
both places would require a fair amount of work to handle a NASCAR event these days. just look at them on a map. nothing but 2 and 4 lane highways.

but i'm with you, Bristol isn't exactly easy to get around on a race weekend and yet they figure it out. night races at North Wilksboro or Rockingham could have potential.
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i've seen recent pics of wilksboro. that place is pretty crummy now :cray:
 
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