Bake sale whites $2.00, Asians $1.50, Latinos $1.00, blacks $0.75 and Indian $.25.

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Just wanted to say (in token fashion) that homelessness in no way carries weight in academic performance.
 
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Unimane said:
Did they account for the $5 the whites stole from the Native Americans, the $1.50 they saved on cheap labor from the Hispanics and the $10 they have saved in the bank from the years they used the blacks as free labor? It's not hard to come up with simplistic connections and ignore opposite considerations to suit your point.

The "poor, suffering white people" analogies are always ridiculous. I had someone try the same type of deal when discussing education when they tried this parable of two students who got the same grade when one worked and the other didn't. He thought he was pretty clever, too, until I started peppering him with questions from my time in education. Did the one student have tutors they could afford? Did the one student have to work after school in order to provide for their family? Was one student homeless? Did the one student have parents putting up money for private school? Etc., etc.
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Wow, I don't remember doing any of those things.

And how far you want to take that...which Native Americans do we owe $5? Any that killed and slaughtered other Native American tribes, or do we let them sort that out? Are the African tribes and nations that enslaved other Africans and sold them to the whites factored into your $10 figure. What about the Irish immigrants, who were treated like piss?
 
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I have said it before, the "open" Liberal mind ONLY extends to drug use and sexual orientation nothing else.
 
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Unimane said:
Did they account for the $5 the whites stole from the Native Americans, the $1.50 they saved on cheap labor from the Hispanics and the $10 they have saved in the bank from the years they used the blacks as free labor? It's not hard to come up with simplistic connections and ignore opposite considerations to suit your point.

The "poor, suffering white people" analogies are always ridiculous. I had someone try the same type of deal when discussing education when they tried this parable of two students who got the same grade when one worked and the other didn't. He thought he was pretty clever, too, until I started peppering him with questions from my time in education. Did the one student have tutors they could afford? Did the one student have to work after school in order to provide for their family? Was one student homeless? Did the one student have parents putting up money for private school? Etc., etc.
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Did you account for the price paid in blood and tears and money that it cost to obtain this country and our way of life that "mostly" these White Devils precured, how much is that worth? Since you insist to go at this angle. Lets cover the WHOLE cost.Stupid analogy, right?

Why stop there though,
how bout the Irish that was repressed when they got off the ship(they are white, Right?),
how bout the descendants of the Germans & Japanese that were rounded up here and put in camps durring WWII,
how bout my family, i am in the county with highest unemployment in the state,
how bout people that more attractive, don't they get more breaks in life,
how about skinny people aren't they faster maybe they should have ankle weights to slow them down to the rest of our speed.,
how about Fat/Big people they get to play on the O-line in the NFL more often,
how about smart people they get better jobs usually , how bout dumb people, not as much , it seems, is expected of them.
how bout Men , they get to pee standing up,
how bout Women they cry anytime they want to and no one makes fun of them,
how bout people that work harder, they are usually rewarded with more money and achievement, lets take it from them and give to the lazy, right?

Your way of thinking divides us up into groups/races/genders and diminishes the merit of the individual.

Yours is an assinine premise that holds less and less clout as Generations have passed.
This country should ensure EQUAL opportunity not subsides/handouts for all, nothing more or less.
 
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MUR73 said:
Did you account for the price paid in blood and tears and money that it cost to obtain this country and our way of life that "mostly" these White Devils precured, how much is that worth? Since you insist to go at this angle. Lets cover the WHOLE cost.Stupid analogy, right?

Why stop there though,
how bout the Irish that was repressed when they got off the ship(they are white, Right?),
how bout the descendants of the Germans & Japanese that were rounded up here and put in camps durring WWII,
how bout my family, i am in the county with highest unemployment in the state,
how bout people that more attractive, don't they get more breaks in life,
how about skinny people aren't they faster maybe they should have ankle weights to slow them down to the rest of our speed.,
how about Fat/Big people they get to play on the O-line in the NFL more often,
how about smart people they get better jobs usually , how bout dumb people, not as much , it seems, is expected of them.
how bout Men , they get to pee standing up,
how bout Women they cry anytime they want to and no one makes fun of them,
how bout people that work harder, they are usually rewarded with more money and achievement, lets take it from them and give to the lazy, right?

Your way of thinking divides us up into groups/races/genders and diminishes the merit of the individual.

Yours is an assinine premise that holds less and less clout as Generations have passed.
This country should ensure EQUAL opportunity not subsides/handouts for all, nothing more or less.
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Ah, yes, having a mock bake sale by race doesn't divide us, but criticizing it does. Solid logic.

I also love the point about ensuring equality and the past not influencing the present. People who talk like this are the same ones born on third who think they hit a triple, or at least a double, which is true of many whites in America (being born with society inherited advantages). My point was mostly how it's far more complicated than the college Republicans tried to express in their white victimization complex project.

Your prejudice slips through with the typical "white people built this country" allusion in the beginning, which I'm sure is based upon your lack of knowledge of historical truths fed by the "Yeah, America!" philosophy of history (rather than the blunt truth, which is more complex, of course).

You forget the slave labor that sustained the south, the Chinese coolies that built the west, the Native Americans that protected and taught the first Europeans to survive in an unfamiliar world, or even the Iroquois Confederacy, who influenced our own Constitution, and on and on. The greatest lie we've told ourselves as Americans, especially white Americans, is that we did on our own.

In any event, you seem to be another advocate of the, literal, whitewashing of history, which I reject.
 
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Your post is so intellectually bankrupt that its hard to know where to begin. I guess I'll just go in order.



MUR73 said:
Did you account for the price paid in blood and tears and money that it cost to obtain this country and our way of life that "mostly" these White Devils precured, how much is that worth? Since you insist to go at this angle. Lets cover the WHOLE cost.Stupid analogy, right?

That settlers were largely white, or that the Revolutionary War was fought by a largely white population is uterly irrelevant to the fact that blacks were enslaved here for about 200 yaers and then syetmatically discriminated against aofr another 180 years.



Why stop there though,
how bout the Irish that was repressed when they got off the ship(they are white, Right?),

Is your point that blacks could overcome prejudice if they just had some gumption? Sure sounds like that is your contention. And it tells us everything we need to know about you.

And it confirms my suspicions about how superficial the hard right is about these issues.

how bout the descendants of the Germans & Japanese that were rounded up here and put in camps durring WWII,

Lasted a very short period of time. And again, you seem to be saying that its black people's inherent deficienices causing the problem. You won't outright say it, but clearly you believe black people are simply an inferior race.


how bout my family, i am in the county with highest unemployment in the state,

Irrelevant.

how bout people that more attractive, don't they get more breaks in life,

They do, but its not racial.

how about skinny people aren't they faster maybe they should have ankle weights to slow them down to the rest of our speed.,

So stupid an argument I just can;t believe you got out of the third grade. Maybe you didn't.

how about Fat/Big people they get to play on the O-line in the NFL more often,
how about smart people they get better jobs usually , how bout dumb people, not as much , it seems, is expected of them.
how bout Men , they get to pee standing up,
how bout Women they cry anytime they want to and no one makes fun of them,
how bout people that work harder, they are usually rewarded with more money and achievement, lets take it from them and give to the lazy, right?

Your way of thinking divides us up into groups/races/genders and diminishes the merit of the individual.


Your way of thinking ignores all reality.

Yours is an assinine premise that holds less and less clout as Generations have passed.

This is true, but the most basic of statistics shows we still have a ways to go.


This country should ensure EQUAL opportunity not subsides/handouts for all, nothing more or less.
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The fundamental problem with your argument is that the far right says, okay, now that we have cemented out advantage in place we don't want to fiddle with it. At a minimum, its at least that you don't want to do anything to help equalize opportunities in this counry if its going to cost the established elites.
 
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The true racism is telling little black boys that they are not as smart as little white boys, so we have to help you because you can't be self-sufficient.

The real problem holding minorities back is minority leaders and the government telling little black girls that they have disadvantages and can't compete on a level playing field with little white girls.

Racism has become an excuse. An excuse to underachieve and an excuse to buy votes. It is twisted and sick. The idea that I should be held responsible for something that I had absolutely no control over is as much racism as holding someone else responsible for things they have no control over like how much melatonin is in their skin. I should not be denied entrance into a school because somebody, who wasn't one of my poor white trash ancestors, owned a slave sold to him, ultimately, by a fellow african.

You go to my wife's classroom. She teaches children that are means-tested to get in. That means, if you don't know, that the children who qualify are the ones with bad home situations, living in poverty, sometimes homeless, foster children, etc. You look one of those little white girls in the eyes, get down on your knees so that you can see it really good. Now, you tell her that she will one day be denied access to the school she worked her butt off to get into. Tell her to just quit now, don't waste her time. Let her know that she has the wrong skin color. Tell her that she doesn't deserve to get in, because she has all the advantages. Do that. Then come and explain how good and self-righteous you feel then.
 
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Following on RT's post. Affirmative Action is a blunt tool for a surgical problem. Race is used as proxy for disadvantaged. We saw this at UMichigan where middle and upper class AA candidates gained admission over lower and lower/middle income whites because of affirmative action.

The problem to be solved is not atonement for past sins; it is helping individuals overcome bad situations beyond their control so we somewhat equalize a shot at opportunity rather than equalize outcomes.

The bake sale is no dumber than quota-based Affirmative Action programs and if it draws attention to the laziness and inequity of the Affirmative Action approach then I'll buy a cupcake (full price of course).

It's also no dumber than "No War for Bush's Oil Buddies" signs but for some reason that is celebrated and this is attacked.
 
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Unimane said:
Ah, yes, having a mock bake sale by race doesn't divide us, but criticizing it does. Solid logic.

I also love the point about ensuring equality and the past not influencing the present. People who talk like this are the same ones born on third who think they hit a triple, or at least a double, which is true of many whites in America (being born with society inherited advantages). My point was mostly how it's far more complicated than the college Republicans tried to express in their white victimization complex project.

Your prejudice slips through with the typical "white people built this country" allusion in the beginning, which I'm sure is based upon your lack of knowledge of historical truths fed by the "Yeah, America!" philosophy of history (rather than the blunt truth, which is more complex, of course).

You forget the slave labor that sustained the south, the Chinese coolies that built the west, the Native Americans that protected and taught the first Europeans to survive in an unfamiliar world, or even the Iroquois Confederacy, who influenced our own Constitution, and on and on. The greatest lie we've told ourselves as Americans, especially white Americans, is that we did on our own.

In any event, you seem to be another advocate of the, literal, whitewashing of history, which I reject.
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Well your ignorance didn't slip through it fall through bass ackwards.
The bake sale is to point out the hypocricy of "any" rasicm, no matter what you look like."yes, White Devil included.
I didn't forget anything, just not foolish enough to think i can resolve it by doing the same to another group. Reparitions for actual victims is valid, reparations for descendants some 200 + years is foolish.

I started by making an irrelevant point, that was factual by the way, about the european white people mostly being the ones that settled this country, then i made the point that , although factual, it was stupid to bring that up, as stupid as your analogies. The founders were smarter than that and thankfully you too.

I tell you what, What is the price amount or the punishment that White people must pay to be even? How much does true reparations cost. Can you give me a figure?

We all no that atrocities have been commited on everyone throughout the history of the world no sense in rehashing the obvious.

by the way, have you even looked at my lineage to confirm whether or not my ancestors had slaves or were sympathizers of the South.

Broad ignorant generalizations seems to be your main argument.

Take your ignorant, indoctrinated "white guilt" somewhere else because i am not interested in it,Nor am i a racist, dont really care what you think about that though, i am however a realist and believe each person is to be held accountable for their deeds and not their pigment.your White Devil crap doesn't fly and frankly despite your slinging it , it doesn't stick either.
 
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KiffinKiller said:
true. I've never seen such a blanketed statement cover blanket statements.
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you've NEVER seen? sounds like a blanketed statement to me. Now I've never seen such a blanketed statement about blanketed statements covering blanket statements. Oh crap.
 
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Other countries have been doing this for years. You have the gringo or tourist menu than the local menu.
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