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Vol4life25 said:
Try it out yourself if you don't believe me...... Go to the gym 4 hours a day for 5 days a week, for the next 2 years and see if you even get too 300 pounds....Hell I have friend's on steroids who can't bench 300 more then once.
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Some people are just freakishly strong. One of my friends doesn't take steroids and you could tell he didn't. He just wasn't big but the dude was a freak. He could bench 300 no problems. Im talking about a guy who is maybe 6 ft. and weighed about 180 lbs. Or maybe Bama actually has a really good S & C program?
 
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UTjonez said:
Some people are just freakishly strong. One of my friends doesn't take steroids and you could tell he didn't. He just wasn't big but the dude was a freak. He could bench 300 no problems. Im talking about a guy who is maybe 6 ft. and weighed about 180 lbs. Or maybe Bama actually has a really good S & C program?
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Agree! I used to work out at a gym here in Kingsport that's no longer open and when he would come home from school Teddy Gaines would work out there sometimes and he could push some damn weight and he was a stick.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Try it out yourself if you don't believe me...... Go to the gym 4 hours a day for 5 days a week, for the next 2 years and see if you even get too 300 pounds....Hell I have friend's on steroids who can't bench 300 more then once.
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I had a buddy in HS who was freakishly strong. He weighed, maybe 215 tops, but was probably less. Anyhow, I WATCHED this kid bench 420 (he was also a big stoner, so 420 was somewhat of a goal for him). The dude had really short arms though, which helped him to put up big numbers.

That said, it's not impossible to think that TR could put up 450 unaided by PED's.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I just find it very hard to believe TR could out bench a couple of guys I know that are on steroids and live in the gym 24/7 while completely clean and doing a bunch of cardio for football. (Cardio beaks down Muscle growth) AND going to school AND living the College life.
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IMHO: There are 2 sides here, both are can be correct given the circumstances. I've been around bodybuilding and powerlifting for 20 years. I've see freaks that were natural and freaks that were nuclear. I also worked out with the football team in college, and KNOW that many were juiced, and that the testing process was as accurate as the coaches wanted it to be. One guy I know that was so juiced he would glow in the dark broke the NFL combine bench record (at that time) and passed their drug screens. Spent 4 years in the NFL, no PEDs suspensions, but was still juicing like crazy.

However, I have also seen clean guys under D1 school training supervision and diet plans make crazy gains in weight and strength. Without any PEDs. The media would claim that both those make you guilty, but that isn't always the case, if you are that 'Genetic Freak'. A Freak with a 24-hour trainer and a top-notch facility can beat a juiced gym rat lots of times - because in my experience, just because you have PEDs and work out 2 times a day, doesn't mean you know HOW to work out correctly at all (most people don't; most hard-core gym guys just think they do).

None of that means any of the Bama guys are guilty - and with my experience, I wouldn't accuse any of them on that alone - but those beastly numbers should make you look a little closer at any athlete, and then use other signs that can help you sort the Freaks from the users.
 
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Think back guys. Everytime somebody in politics begins to get ahead, oops, out comes a story that negatively impacts that person. Athletics is no different. We can't seem to win against this conference, so we're going to start telling everybody your "sista is a ho". This reeks of Notre Dame crybabies.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
I just find it very hard to believe TR could out bench a couple of guys I know that are on steroids and live in the gym 24/7 while completely clean and doing a bunch of cardio for football. (Cardio beaks down Muscle growth) AND going to school AND living the College life.
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No offense, but there's probably a reason Richardson played for alabama and now the Browns and your buddies are pumpin iron at the local gym...
 
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I dont care how good of coach you are...or how many 5 stars recruits to sign...you dont win muliple NC without your team on the steriods...Period...In time it will be released...CNS will be in the NFL next year if the NCAA starts snooping around...he is just buying his time.
 
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Steriod abuse is rampant in pretty much every sport after middle school...the NCAA and state high school athletic associations are terribad at any kind of enforcement. You've got to be REALLY dumb to get caught, and I'm sure it's the same way in the NFL.

I had a friend who played college baseball. I'd venture to say about 60% of his teammates were on or had at least tried steriods or some other questionable PED. They'd be talking about it in the gym like it was no big deal. This was at a DII school, so I'm sure the perecentages are higher at the DI and pro level. Most of these guys weren't even jacked, they were just incredibly fit. The poster child for roids on the team wasn't a giant dude, he was a guy who'd gotten a lot faster.

Here are my points: That tiny, quick dude running an end-around is just as likely to be on something as that freight train of a running back. At this point punishing bama would be stupid and superficial...and I've had this theory for awhile that JUCOs are a serious hot spot for this stuff. It's just unreal how much quicker, faster, and stronger some of these guys get between their senior year of HS and the end of their JUCO tenure.
 
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E-Tizzle said:
It's rare, extremely rare, but possible. Not sure of his weight room numbers, but Bo Jackson could probably bench a small car (hyperbole alert), and most people have zero suspicion that he 'roided up.

Bo was an absolute freak of nature, and there aren't many like him, but TR is a freak in his own right. It wouldn't surprise me if TR did juice, but I believe it is possible he could have put up those numbers clean.
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Hm. I'm young, only 19.. so I didn't "know Bo", and really have only heard stories about him. That being said, I watch that killer ESPN flick on him and was very impressed.

However, (and don't get me wrong, ever since I did some research, that guy is one of my favorites now) it's not that unlikely for him to have taken steroids.

I mainly say that because the main reason people don't think he did them is because steroids weren't common back then.. I disagree. Clearly they were extremely common in the body building world (you can notice a huge size gain from the guys in the 60s to early 70s and the guys from late 70s on forward).

I don't see how he couldn't have gotten his hands on steroids. He very well could have..

Now, that being said, geared up or not, that guy was an athletic anomaly. Just because your roided up doesn't mean you'll instantly be some sort of monster in all kinds of sports. It would definitely help you tremendously in the strength and endurance, but you couldn't all the sudden become a champ without some sort of athleticism (and in Bo's case, a whole bunch).

Just my two cents. Probably gonna get flamed. But that's just my opinion. No one could be 100% certain he wasn't using.

EDIT: And another thing, I bet it would be a lot harder for them to test for steroids back then and probably wouldn't be very accurate. Don't know much about how steroid testing works, but I'm sure that like all technology, it was worse back then then it is now and athletes cheat the system all the time.
 
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Reports: SWATS, Alabama players meet - SEC Blog - ESPN

Key also told Schad that he watched about five Alabama players spray what he sold them into their mouths. Deer-antler spray contains IGF-1, which is "a natural, anabolic hormone that stimulates muscle growth." It's banned by the NCAA and most professional sports leagues.
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Key said about 20 players purchased the spray at a hotel room in New Orleans leading into the BCS National Championship game against LSU. And he said he sold about 20 more bottles to players at the apartment of an Alabama player 10 days before the game.

Key said he has received cease-and-desist letters from Alabama, LSU and Auburn demanding not to use current players likenesses. "But you can't tell me I can't talk to your players," Key said. "We live in a free country."
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Key said he has sold products to players around the SEC. He said he sold around 20 bottles of deer-antler spray to LSU players before meeting with the Alabama players. He also provided healing hologram chips to Auburn players during their 2010 national championship season and healing bands to Georgia and Ole Miss players this season
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There is a lot that comes into play with bench pressing higher numbers. If you have short arms and a big chest, it is a big advantage. It also helps if you really know how to build your triceps to get that last push to lock your arms out. I played Div III college ball and when I was 18 and 245 could bench press 405. I never took even a supplement, much less a PED. I could also do 225 lbs, 25 times in a row, when I was 17. This is one of the lifts they do at the combine. When, I was 25, I weighed about 265, and would work out with 350 lbs 4 sets of 12 every other day. I never tried to max out then, as I did not care about my max. I actually stopped going up in weight as I was getting too big and too tight. I am nothing special, so I would not talk in absolutes about who is on roids and who is not. There are usually a bunch of other indicators, besides weight lifting, but that is not to say that there are not a bunch of guys on them.
 
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PapaBurgundy said:
No offense, but there's probably a reason Richardson played for alabama and now the Browns and your buddies are pumpin iron at the local gym...
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What reason? Because TR can play football? I don't get what that has to do with powerlifting.....
 
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All along i was thinking these Bammer players were retard strong from their incestial gene pool.
 
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