Bama was NOT the best team in CFB this year!

[TUSKtimes]

Yeah, wouldnt like it cause im a Tennessee fan, but an undeafeated team should have a chance at a title.
It would be Tennessees fault and shouldnt have lost the game they did.
But so we are clear, my real thought is if you cant win your conference you cant be the NC. I think the playoff (how many ever games you want to expand it to) should be filled by conference champs.

Then you should be more than offended that the 2 best teams in the same conference seldom meet in the CCG.

It's been so bad at times that an 11-1 Oregon team meets a 6-6 UCLA team in their CCG while an 11-1 Stanford team with Andrew Luck at QB watches at home. That CCG?

 

[volfannbama]

Then you should be more than offended that the 2 best teams in the same conference seldom meet in the CCG.

It's been so bad at times that an 11-1 Oregon team meets a 6-6 UCLA team in their CCG while an 11-1 Stanford team with Andrew Luck at QB watches at home. That CCG?

The pac 12 should take a look at their divisions if their is such a disparity.

Stanford shouldnt lose to Oregon in the regular season if it wants to for to the cg.

 

[TUSKtimes]

The pac 12 should take a look at their divisions if their is such a disparity.

Stanford shouldnt lose to Oregon in the regular season if it wants to for to the cg.

Let's use your model on last year's 4 teams surviving their CCG. After their 12 game schedule, these are the 4 teams the committee has in: Alabama, Washington, Clemson, Ohio State.

SEC: Undefeated and already in the playoff, after their 12th game, Alabama played a bad Florida team and the consensus going in was that 12-0 Alabama was in the playoff even if they were upset in the SECCG. SECCG, tits on a bull.

Pac 12: Washington vs Colorado. The consensus 2nd best team was USC. The Huskies were already voted in the playoff at #4 before their CCG after their 12th game. but had to play a weak Buffalo team. Nothing to win, everything to lose. Pac 12 CCG, tits on a bull.

Big 10: Penn State vs Wisconsin. Didn't matter, Ohio state was already ranked in the playoff after the 12th game and got in after their CCG. B1G CCG, tits on a bull.

ACC: Clemson vs VaTech. Much like the Pac 12 CCG Clemson had everything to lose and nothing to gain. They were already ranked in the Playoff after the 12th game. The Hokies were 3rd in the conference with 2 losses while a one-loss Lousiville team would sit at home. ACCCG, tits on a bull.

Big 12: Didn't matter. Neither qualified for the playoff just like the Big 10 CCG. And like the B1G neither was ranked in the playoffs after the 12th game. Big 12 CCG, tits on a bull.

Now you can talk for an hour on how you would fix it, but this is the reality. This last season is a version of what college football fans have to put up with in the CCG every year.

Conclusion: The CCG, tits on a bull.

 

[volfannbama]

Let's use your model on last year's 4 teams surviving their CCG. After their 12 game schedule, these are the 4 teams the committee has in: Alabama, Washington, Clemson, Ohio State.

SEC: Undefeated and already in the playoff, after their 12th game, Alabama played a bad Florida team and the consensus going in was that 12-0 Alabama was in the playoff even if they were upset in the SECCG. SECCG, tits on a bull.

Pac 12: Washington vs Colorado. The consensus 2nd best team was USC. The Huskies were already voted in the playoff at #4 before their CCG after their 12th game. but had to play a weak Buffalo team. Nothing to win, everything to lose. Pac 12 CCG, tits on a bull.

Big 10: Penn State vs Wisconsin. Didn't matter, Ohio state was already ranked in the playoff after the 12th game and got in after their CCG. B1G CCG, tits on a bull.

ACC: Clemson vs VaTech. Much like the Pac 12 CCG Clemson had everything to lose and nothing to gain. They were already ranked in the Playoff after the 12th game. The Hokies were 3rd in the conference with 2 losses while a one-loss Lousiville team would sit at home. ACCCG, tits on a bull.

Big 12: Didn't matter. Neither qualified for the playoff just like the Big 10 CCG. And like the B1G neither was ranked in the playoffs after the 12th game. Big 12 CCG, tits on a bull.

Now you can talk for an hour on how you would fix it, but this is the reality. This last season is a version of what college football fans have to put up with in the CCG every year.

Conclusion: The CCG, tits on a bull.

So the conclusion is, the teams with the most preseason hype that all the talking heads deem as good are the teams eligible to play for a NC. Even though teams lack the ability to win their division....its irrevelent if they are "consensus" better team.

My solution: 6 conferences 14 teams each, 2 divisions in each. You play each team in your division (6 games) 2 games from other division on a rotating schedule.(8 games) 3 games from another conference on a rotating schedule (11 games) No FCS games. Wins of each division plays for a conference title. Winner of that goes to 6 team playoff. Top 2 seeds get a by. Seeding based on overall record, out of conference record, conference record.

 

[vol-un-tear]

Off-day. Ohio State beats Iowa 9/10 times they play.

Doesn’t work that way

 

[MikeVol44]

Maybe if Tua had played all year stats would have proved Bama the best team. But they played their second best QB until their final two quarters of the year. So it is what it is. Would Bama have beat OSU or Penn State? Guess we'll never know, cause recency bias and Heisman Hype put Clemson and Oklahoma in instead of OSU or Penn State.

I guess Oklahoma's 15 point win over OSU at OSU was merely attributed to Heisman hype????

I guess OSU's 30 point LOSS to UNRANKED IOWA just wasn't RECENT ENOUGH to prove how bad this OSU team could be?

 

[tumscalcium]

Stats prove it out Ohio State was a slightly better football team than Alabama this year. At minimum they should have been in the playoff. And PSU should have been in the playoff as well. Stats prove it out. Clemson a playoff team...b*tch please! Eliminate the bias of the committee. Dilly Dilly!

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ncaa

OSU had no business being in the playoffs this year. They didn’t last year either.

 

[MikeVol44]

OK played in a SOFT Big12.

And went on the road to OSU and beat them BY 15...

How can you not acknowledge the head to head beatdown administered by OK?

Are you truly just (*^T&(_??

 

[GreyWolf1129]

So the conclusion is, the teams with the most preseason hype that all the talking heads deem as good are the teams eligible to play for a NC. Even though teams lack the ability to win their division....its irrevelent if they are "consensus" better team.

My solution: 6 conferences 14 teams each, 2 divisions in each. You play each team in your division (6 games) 2 games from other division on a rotating schedule.(8 games) 3 games from another conference on a rotating schedule (11 games) No FCS games. Wins of each division plays for a conference title. Winner of that goes to 6 team playoff. Top 2 seeds get a by. Seeding based on overall record, out of conference record, conference record.

Let it go. As each one of his talking points is defeated (see Post #69), he moves on to something else. He even argued against Alabama making the playoff this year, without realizing he did it.

If there ever are 6 "Super-Conferences", it's a long way off. Much more likely is an 8-team playoff, with provision for the top ranked G5 team to get in. So, P5 conference champs, a G5 team, and two "wild cards". Again, JMO.

But as for having a rational, logic-based debate...you are wasting good oxygen.

Go Vols.

 

[TUSKtimes]

So the conclusion is, the teams with the most preseason hype that all the talking heads deem as good are the teams eligible to play for a NC. Even though teams lack the ability to win their division....its irrevelent if they are "consensus" better team.

My solution: 6 conferences 14 teams each, 2 divisions in each. You play each team in your division (6 games) 2 games from other division on a rotating schedule.(8 games) 3 games from another conference on a rotating schedule (11 games) No FCS games. Wins of each division plays for a conference title. Winner of that goes to 6 team playoff. Top 2 seeds get a by. Seeding based on overall record, out of conference record, conference record.

Alabama had the #1 bullseye on it's back every game this past season. What preseason hype. Your biggest miscalculation in all this is the lack of intellectual honesty to realize that each game being played, every single week of the regular season, is part of the playoff format.

I don't care about the rest of your argument. Whether more teams are allowed in or not, your hypothetical fix doesn't change the value of the CCG as it's being currently implemented. How you or anyone else can use that game to offer automatic qualification into a playoff when the 2 best teams in a conference often don't play each other is ridiculous. You could have a 6-6 UCLA team or a 6-6 Georgia Tech team who was also playing in a ACCCG playoff, while much better teams in the other division stayed home, instead of sending these crappy teams to the playoff because they upset their opponent, much like UCF. CCG is tits on a bull.

My argument is about what is. And you can't make a reasonable argument as to why #1 ranked Alabama shouldn't have been participating in their 4th playoff tourney.