Barack Hussein Obama's top five lies about energy:

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Or whatever his name is and given the number of lies he is telling, it isn't easy to pick a top five but this guy gives it an effort.

Newt Gingrich 2012 - President Obama’s Top Five Energy Whoppers

With both President Obama and his chief strategist David Axelrod attacking Newt’s $2.50 gas plan this weekend, it is worthwhile to take a look at who is really trying to sell the American people “snake oil.”

President Obama has been traveling the country making demonstrably false excuses for his failures on energy policy. To borrow a line from White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, “I won’t attribute motivations…I’ll just say that anybody who says these things doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”

“WE’RE DRILLING ALL OVER”

FALSE:

“Do not tell me that we’re not drilling. We’re drilling all over this country. I guess there are a few spots where we’re not drilling. We’re not drilling in the National Mall. We’re not drilling at your house. I guess we could try to have, like, 200 oil rigs in the middle of the Chesapeake Bay.” (March 15, 2012, Prince George’s Community College.)

TRUE:

President Obama has blocked drilling in offshore areas totaling more than 10 times the size of Texas. He has stalled progress on an estimated one trillion barrels of oil in the American West, where the federal government owns the majority of the world’s oil shale. These off-limits supplies alone give the United States some of the largest oil reserves in the world. And no one proposes drilling in the Chesapeake Bay.

“WE’RE USING 20%, WE HAVE 2%”

FALSE:

“America uses more than 20 percent of the world’s oil. If we drilled every square inch of this country — so we went to your house and we went to the National Mall and we put up those rigs everywhere — we’d still have only 2 percent of the world’s known oil reserves. Let’s say we miss something — maybe it’s 3 percent instead of 2. We’re using 20; we have 2.” (March 15, 2012, Prince George’s Community College.)

TRUE:

The President derives his “2 percent” from America’s “proven reserves,” about 20 billion barrels of oil. Proven reserves are the “quantity of energy sources estimated with reasonable certainty, from the analysis of geologic and engineering data, to be recoverable from well-established or known reservoirs with the existing equipment and under the existing operating conditions.”

The U.S. was said to have 30 billion barrels of “proven reserves” in 1980. Yet from 1980 to 2008, we produced about 75 billion barrels of oil.

No one thinks the proven reserves numbers come anywhere close to capturing our oil resources–even the U.S. government. The Energy Department estimated in 2006 that there were about 400 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil, including undiscovered resources and that does not even include oil shale. That’s 5 times the number President Obama is using. And oil shale is another 800 billion to 1 trillion barrels.

Total estimated resources exceed 1.4 trillion barrels of oil in the United States, and Goldman Sachs predicted last year that the U.S. has the potential to be the world’s largest oil-producing country by 2017. The number the President is using, about 20 billion barrels, is less than the current best estimate for the Bakken formation in North Dakota alone.

In addition, the President’s claim that “we use 20% of the world’s oil” is false and evasive. We consume 20% of the world’s oil production, not 20% of the world’s oil reserves as the President’s comparison suggests. The President is just cherry-picking numbers. The 2 and the 20 are not meaningfully related so the comparison makes no sense—it certainly doesn’t prove we’re consuming too much or that there is too little to go around.

OIL IS SOLD ON THE “WORLD MARKET”…THEREFORE PRESIDENT OBAMA’S POLICIES CAN’T INFLUENCE THE PRICE OF OIL

FALSE:

“How much oil we produce here at home, because we only have 2 percent and we use 20, that’s not going to set the price of gas worldwide, or here in the United States. Oil is bought and sold on the world market.” (March 7, 2012, North Carolina)

HE EMPHASIZES THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN:

We can’t just allow ourselves to be held hostage to the ups and downs of the world oil market. (February 23, 2012, Miami, FL)

We’re not going to, overnight, solve the problem of world oil markets. (February 23, 2012, Miami, FL)

“Gas prices and the world oil markets right now are putting a lot of pressure on families right now.” (March 15, 2012, Prince George’s Community College.)

“When prices spike on the world market, it’s like a tax, it’s like somebody is going into your pocket.” (March 15, 2012, Prince George’s Community College.)

TRUE:

President Obama and his allies have repeatedly suggested his policies can’t be blamed for high gasoline prices because oil is “bought and sold on the world market” over which he has no control. But prices on the “world market” are determined primarily by supply and demand, and the President is blocking development of substantial oil supplies offshore and in the American West, which together are several times the known reserves of Saudi Arabia. No one has claimed the President can “set” the price of oil, but his choice to close these areas affect the price significantly.

He could reverse his policies on these federal lands with the stroke of a pen. There is nothing special about the “world market” that would prevent that large increase in supply from putting downward pressure on price.

The President’s own actions have betrayed the knowledge that even marginal production changes have a significant effect on oil prices. When his administration asked Saudi Arabia to increase its own oil production, its goal was to lower prices in the U.S., and when he tapped the Strategic Reserve during the Arab Spring in 2011, he did so for the same reason. His claims to be powerless in the “world market” are just a bad excuse for the results of his anti—American-energy policies.

“TAXPAYER GIVEAWAYS” TO OIL COMPANIES

FALSE:

“What’s more, at a time when big oil companies are making more money than ever before, we’re still giving them $4 billion of your tax dollars in subsidies every year.” (President’s Weekly Address, March 17, 2012)

“I don’t think oil companies need more corporate welfare. Congress should end this taxpayer giveaway.” (President’s Weekly Address, March 3, 2012)

TRUE:

The oil industry is not subsidized. It is subject to generic tax deductions that apply to all U.S. manufacturers. What the President proposes is specifically targeting oil companies for tax increases, not ending subsides that are given specifically to the oil industry.

Under this view, the “giveaway” is that we are not taxing oil companies for the same things we do not tax anyone else. But not taxing an activity isn’t a “subsidy” or a “taxpayer giveaway”—unless you consider the income you’re allowed to keep a “subsidy,” too.

In addition, the President wants to end rules that prevent American companies from being double-taxed on energy they produce outside the United States, which would only benefit foreign competitors at the expense of American businesses.

The industry that is highly subsidized and receives “corporate welfare” under the Obama administration is the “green” energy industry—companies like Solyndra. The vast majority of energy sector tax preferences have been for renewables or energy efficiency companies. As the Congressional Budget Office recently reported, “Between 2009 and 2012, DOE provided an estimated $4.0 billion in subsidies for about $25 billion in loans.”

If the President is genuinely concerned about high gas prices, raising taxes on oil producers will cause gasoline prices to increase and will hurt consumers—whether he thinks that’s “fair” or not.

“SOLAR AND WIND” ARE SOLUTIONS TO HIGH GAS PRICES

FALSE:

If we’re going to take control of our energy future and can start avoiding these annual gas price spikes that happen every year … if we’re going to avoid being at the mercy of these world events, we’ve got to have a sustained, all-of-the-above strategy that develops every available source of American energy. Yes, oil and gas, but also wind and solar and nuclear and biofuels, and more. (February 23, 2012, Miami, FL)

TRUE:

If 100% of American electricity today were generated by solar and wind technologies such as the President is pushing, it would have virtually no effect on the price of gasoline. Wind and solar are methods of generating electricity which we use to power our buildings. Gasoline is the fuel for our cars. We barely use oil at all to generate electricity, meaning that converting everything to wind and solar would do nothing to decrease the consumption of oil. The only circumstance under which the technologies President Obama mentions would be an answer to high gasoline prices is if wind and solar were economically competitive sources of electricity and we drove inexpensive electric cars with capacities comparable to conventional automobiles. But today that is a distant fantasy, not a solution.

FWIW, I recently heard a tape of Axelrod speaking for the first time, what a wimpy sounding guy, he makes Dennis Kucinich ('penis blew spinach' as his highschool mates called him) sound like John Wayne.
 
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it's like a warning label before clicking. Either it's incredibly stupid, a repost of a chain email or on good days it's a combo

I see you changed your favorite teams to include the Broncos, the Broncos, and of course, the Broncos :neener2:
 
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I see you changed your favorite teams to include the Broncos, the Broncos, and of course, the Broncos :neener2:

anything to fluster the titans fans that are convinced it was a slap in the face by Peyton. All in good fun
 
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anything to fluster the titans fans that are convinced it was a slap in the face by Peyton. All in good fun

Ha. I was not one of the ones who wanted to crucify him for not picking the Titans. I was disappointed, but that feeling lasted only until 10 minutes after i heard the news.
 
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anything to fluster the titans fans that are convinced it was a slap in the face by Peyton. All in good fun

i was definitely deflated by that news...but life goes on. I've been a decent enough fan to root against peyton at least twice a year since 97.
 
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Or whatever his name is and given the number of lies he is telling, it isn't easy to pick a top five but this guy gives it an effort.

Newt Gingrich 2012 - President Obama’s Top Five Energy Whoppers



FWIW, I recently heard a tape of Axelrod speaking for the first time, what a wimpy sounding guy, he makes Dennis Kucinich ('penis blew spinach' as his highschool mates called him) sound like John Wayne.

How often in posting do you refer to Clinton by his full name? or Bush? or Reagan? or anyone else?

You do realize that you marginalize yourself through empty rhetoric and cheap shots? You have some legitimate complaints. If you didn't surround them with such worthless fluff people might take them, and you, more seriously.

Do you prefer to be dismissed as a quack just to get in 'clever' comments or would you rather engage people and possibly change someone's mind?
 
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How often in posting do you refer to Clinton by his full name? or Bush? or Reagan? or anyone else?

You do realize that you marginalize yourself through empty rhetoric and cheap shots? You have some legitimate complaints. If you didn't surround them with such worthless fluff people might take them, and you, more seriously.

Do you prefer to be dismissed as a quack just to get in 'clever' comments or would you rather engage people and possibly change someone's mind?

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Does anyone want to try to debate that BHO isn't lying his ass off?

Every hour the ABC radio newscast broadcasts Barry (in his best community organizer voice), saying; "If you hear anyone on TV saying we are against drilling then they don't know what they are talking about or they are lying."

He made this statement at an oil field in New Mexico.
(Guess it must be one in the area that the EPA didn't shut down to protect some sand lizard.)

Fully one third of America's current trade deficit goes to importing oil.

BHO tries to take credit for increased domestic product but that is one area he should really blame on Bush.

The truth of the matter is that since BHO took office, oil production on federal land (including offshore) has declined 25%.

Natural gass production on federal land (including offshore) has declined about 20%.

If it weren't for oil and gas produced from private or state owned land, we would be in even bigger trouble.

Still, does anyone want to try to maintain that Obama isn't lying big time to the American people on this issue?

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Regardless of who the messenger may be... Is the message true or not? Keep your eye on the ball folks. Obama has been an abject failure on many levels as a president. As awful as Bush was (and I honestly didn't think anyone could do worse than GWB...) Obama has made him look positively statesmanlike....
 
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Regardless of who the messenger may be... Is the message true or not?

when you fail to present the message is a credible fashion it's just human nature to expect it to all be crap. Even if he had a valid point the odds of it ever being read are very close to zero because of the delivery
 
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when you fail to present the message is a credible fashion it's just human nature to expect it to all be crap. Even if he had a valid point the odds of it ever being read are very close to zero because of the delivery

This is where I'm at. Guy is insufferable. I am surprised that he is still tolerated. Not a fan of censorship at all, but I have seen bans for much less than gs' racial/religious hatred bs.

Sad thing is that I wonder what percentage of his posts are an act and what isn't. I've had conversations with him via PM. Wasn't a bad guy at all. I actually enjoyed the conversations. I take a break from the site for a while, and he attempts to insult me with personal attacks (over a freaking spelling mistake and supposedly a word misused that was used correctly) and childish name calling referencing my profession (not that it bothers me) on one of my first if not the first post back in the politics forum. I felt my comments were not inflammatory or an attack in any way- definitely not directed at him. I actually thought they were fairly benign. I have even defended him to a degree in the past. Guess the cease fire is over. That's fine. I'm a big boy that can play rough and be an ass as well. Game on!:machgun::gun::boobies::loco::rock::)
 
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This is where I'm at. Guy is insufferable. I am surprised that he is still tolerated. Not a fan of censorship at all, but I have seen bans for much less than gs' racial/religious hatred bs.

Sad thing is that I wonder what percentage of his posts are an act and what isn't. I've had conversations with him via PM. Wasn't a bad guy at all. I actually enjoyed the conversations. I take a break from the site for a while, and he attempts to insult me with personal attacks (over a freaking spelling mistake and supposedly a word misused that was used correctly) and childish name calling referencing my profession (not that it bothers me) on one of my first if not the first post back in the politics forum. I felt my comments were not inflammatory or an attack in any way- definitely not directed at him. I actually thought they were fairly benign. I have even defended him to a degree in the past. Guess the cease fire is over. That's fine. I'm a big boy that can play rough and be an ass as well. Game on!:machgun::gun::boobies::loco::rock::)

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Thanks for your personal sentiments toward me.

Bring it on! :)

How's walleye fishing this spring?

I was merely joking about your typos.

Did you ever stop to think that most people take themselves way too seriously and you may be one of those people? (not that we don't have an overabundance of far worse examples here.)

Considering your profession, isn't it considered one of your highest callings to present your students with the truth?

FWIW, political correctness isn't necessarily the truth, as a matter of fact it is often the opposite of the truth.

The base purpose of political correctness is to control the language and given enough control of what may or may not be said in public, then the outcome of any debate is predetermined. Is it not?

You (and others) misjudge me when you claim I am promoting racial/religious hatred, I am merely trying to strip away the lies and misconceptions to reveal the truth.

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Arthur Schopenhauer

Shopenhauer was a brilliant man imo, for instance he reduced the eight points of the confusing and misleading Hegelian dialectic down to one point and then moved on to other things in considering thought processes.


"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened."
Sir Winston Churchill

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Has there every been a president who didnt lie his ass off? And dont say Washington, because thats just ridiculous.

But don't some occasionally tell the truth?

I can't find one instance where BHO isn't lying.

Perhaps you can think of an example to point out to us where he isn't using deceptive rhetoric or just flat telling a bold faced lie?

Well, at least we are in agreement that Obama is lying about his energy policies, do we not?

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when you fail to present the message is a credible fashion it's just human nature to expect it to all be crap. Even if he had a valid point the odds of it ever being read are very close to zero because of the delivery

Yet you can't really refute the veracity of the message (however unpalatable the delivery may be) so you attack the messenger...
 
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Yet you can't really refute the veracity of the message (however unpalatable the delivery may be) so you attack the messenger...

The message is GS hates Obama. No one here refutes the veracity of that message. Its just not much of a message after about the 8,364th time the message is delivered.

Oh, and does anyone really wants a message, any message, delivered 8,364 times? What if those messages are delivered the way that Mr CAP does it? Do you?
 
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I honestly can't tell when you're serious or not anymore. If my buddies saw that someone implied that I took myself too seriously, they would piss their pants from laughing so hard.

Busy with softball season. The walleye are safe.....for now.
 
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gs, your diatribe has run dry. Look for another source.

Or you could stick around and be a VN punching bag(dead heat between you and lg).
 

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