Barack Hussein Obama's top five lies about energy:

[gsvol]

You would quote Churchill.

"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room."
Sir Winston Churchill

 

[trevols81]

"Never hold discussions with the monkey when the organ grinder is in the room."
Sir Winston Churchill

Clever. Now, do you have an organic thought? Or is this all delivered to you from radical blogs?

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

Clever. Now, do you have an organic thought? Or is this all delivered to you from radical blogs?

I can't imagine he has ever expressed an original thought. The pictures and links he posts verifies that.

 

[trevols81]

I can't imagine he has ever expressed an original thought. The pictures and links he posts verifies that.

Original is beyond comprehesion with this dude.

 

[gsvol]

Obama: The Green Energy Nightmare - American Live Wire | American Live Wire

Obama recently spoke at a solar power facility about the need for investment in renewable energy. He reiterated his previous claims that this investment would create jobs, promote energy independence, and so forth. (In the article, there is a line that the Obama Administration claims their investments have created or saved 44,000 jobs since 2009).

But, if you look at the rest of the article, you will see that the facility received $40 million for construction for 350 employees. That means the federal government spent $114,285.71 for each job that no longer exists – if you were to focus solely on the construction aspect of the work.

Even more importantly, permanent jobs are how people manage to change their lives and provide for themselves over the long haul. With all of the help from the federal government, this facility has a grand total of TEN PERMANENT EMPLOYEES. So, only ten people have managed to benefit from this $40 million dollar investment – that’s right, I said TEN! Let that sink in for a moment.
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CBS News reported that Obama “invested” $6.5 billion dollars in 12 green energy companies now facing financial hardship. The following companies have filed for bankruptcy:

Solyndra: $535 million in federal money and has filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy

Beacon Power of Massachusetts: $43 million in federal money, $5 million in state money; Paid $23,000 in bonuses to 65 employees during the bankruptcy process

Evergreen Solar of Massachusetts: Received $31 million in state aid, Unknown amount of federal money, owes $485.6 million in debt — to hire about 100 people or $310,000 for each potential job in state money. (Obviously, the cost would go up dramatically if we knew how much federal money they got).

SpectraWatt of New York State: $500,000 in federal money while paying out $745,000 in executive bonuses

Eastern Energy of New York State (an AES subsidiary): Received a $17.1 million loan while Media Matters runs a story (anyone shocked?) saying that the company that got the loan did not go bankrupt using this link to the DoE as proof. (Oops! Even the DoE is trying to make the loan go away).

Ener1 of Indiana: $118.5 million in federal money
Even the DoE proudly touts on their website that they have provided $34.9 billion in loans to green energy companies/initiatives that have created (or saved) approximately 61,000 jobs. That works out to an average cost per job of $572,131.14.

However, Obama has clearly stated that he will not walk away from his green energy agenda – despite the catastrophic failures.

Meanwhile, the costs of gasoline, which people need and use to get to the real jobs, has now crept up in the neighborhood of $4/gallon, with Obama’s Energy Secretary proclaiming that they have no intent on addressing the rising costs.

So, as you can see, Obama is the one who is out of touch with Americans as he burns gas traveling to four states to promote a green energy investment plan that has shown to be one failure after another.

Someone needs to wake him up from this green energy nightmare!

Feature image courtesy of gstriatum.com

 

[bluetickhound16]

The message is GS hates Obama. No one here refutes the veracity of that message. Its just not much of a message after about the 8,364th time the message is delivered.

Oh, and does anyone really wants a message, any message, delivered 8,364 times? What if those messages are delivered the way that Mr CAP does it? Do you?

Gotcha. Being new to the politics forum Im not familiar with GS... BTW, for my part I don't "hate" Obama. I just think he's way in over his head and hasn't any idea what being a president is all about. Of course the same could be said for the last 3 presidents before Obama also...

 

[JayVols]

Gotcha. Being new to the politics forum Im not familiar with GS... BTW, for my part I don't "hate" Obama. I just think he's way in over his head and hasn't any idea what being a president is all about. Of course the same could be said for the last 3 presidents before Obama also...

No one will agree with me, but Bill Clinton was my homeboy....Aside from the obvious gaffes/scandals, I think he did a pretty good job.

 

[bluetickhound16]

No one will agree with me, but Bill Clinton was my homeboy....Aside from the obvious gaffes/scandals, I think he did a pretty good job.

There are some things he DID do well but on the whole he was an embarrassment as a president.... It almost makes me wonder if we should try 4 years WITHOUT a president and see how it goes.... Unconstitutional I know, but what the hell... We haven't had a president who faithfully abided by the constitution in well... Maybe ever....

 

[utvolpj]

No one will agree with me, but Bill Clinton was my homeboy....Aside from the obvious gaffes/scandals, I think he did a pretty good job.

he did.....post-1994

 

[YorkVol]

he did.....post-1994

Yes, balance of power is supposed to be a good thing. Not sure why it isn't working currently.

 

[MG1968]

Yes, balance of power is supposed to be a good thing. Not sure why it isn't working currently.

two words, "Harry" and "Reid"

 

[GoBigOrangeUT]

I miss Slick Willy. After Bush and what remains to be seen of Obama, I would gladly take him back.

 

[gsvol]

Clever. Now, do you have an organic thought? Or is this all delivered to you from radical blogs?

Organic? Have another carrot.

I can't imagine he has ever expressed an original thought. The pictures and links he posts verifies that.

The message is GS hates Obama. No one here refutes the veracity of that message. Its just not much of a message after about the 8,364th time the message is delivered.

Oh, and does anyone really wants a message, any message, delivered 8,364 times? What if those messages are delivered the way that Mr CAP does it? Do you?

I DO NOT hate Obama.

I DO hate his agenda and what he is doing to destroy this
nation we love and enjoy.

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No one will agree with me, but Bill Clinton was my homeboy....Aside from the obvious gaffes/scandals, I think he did a pretty good job.

The one and only reason Clinton didn't do what Obama is doing
is the Gringrich engineered takeover of congress.

Clinton, being the pragmatist that he is, (even though he has
a badly broken moral compass, according to the FBI director
that he appointed himself,) went along with congress, all the
while subtly implementing the Cloward-Priven strategy.

Are you familiar with Cloward Priven?

Part I, if you wish I'll link parts II and II.

If the link no longer works, try googling up Cloward Priven
and their communist stragedy to gain control of the American
government and replacing it with something 'closer to the
heart's desire' ie Fabian socialism.

 

[JayVols]

Clinton's pragmatism is one of the main reasons I liked him. I actually thought he and Newt worked well together (Lewinski scandal excluded). The moral compass thing tarnishes him for sure. I think he would have been viewed in a significantly different light without Monica.

 

[gsvol]

Regardless of who the messenger may be... Is the message true or not? Keep your eye on the ball folks. Obama has been an abject failure on many levels as a president. As awful as Bush was (and I honestly didn't think anyone could do worse than GWB...) Obama has made him look positively statesmanlike....

They will do anything except admit that Obama is flat out lying to the American people.

Some people are fooled, others are just lifelong fools.

Did I say lifelong?

Yet you can't really refute the veracity of the message (however unpalatable the delivery may be) so you attack the messenger...

"My philosophy has always been to attack the post and not the poster."
Volfreak

What is most objectional is to use the word 'Hussein' in the same sentence with Obama, that isn't politically correct.

It might in some way remind us of his religion.

To do so invites the accusation of inciting racial and religious hatred and stife.

Take a look at Obama's associates past and present.

Clever. Now, do you have an organic thought? Or is this all delivered to you from radical blogs?

How's this for organic thinking?

Clinton's pragmatism is one of the main reasons I liked him. I actually thought he and Newt worked well together (Lewinski scandal excluded). The moral compass thing tarnishes him for sure. I think he would have been viewed in a significantly different light without Monica.

I wrote a long reply last night playing on the pragmatism of your average pit viper aka snake in the grass.

As for policies look at how many radical Clinton retreads Obama has in his administration.

Clinton and Obama share an identical idiotic energy policy.

But then it seems we had rather twist ourselves into pretzels, talking about anything other than the topic of this thread, ie; Barack Hussein Obama's energy policy and how he is misrepresenting it to the American people while being aided and abetted by a complicent media.

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Let's talk about it. opcorn:

 

[Ned Ray McWorkher]

Maybe all of the things Bush left un-regulated or indeed de-regulated needed to be curtailed. Maybe that is why there were so many new regulations. Maybe, just maybe, things were getting out of control and needed to be reigned in a bit? -- What exactly was being un-regulated (whilst we were stuck in the bushes) and what are you proposing was regulated under Obama? Maybe the regulations were needed (especially when the President is on TV talking about "Hell, bring 'em on!". Just maybe.

 

[gsvol]

Maybe all of the things Bush left un-regulated or indeed de-regulated needed to be curtailed. Maybe that is why there were so many new regulations. Maybe, just maybe, things were getting out of control and needed to be reigned in a bit? -- What exactly was being un-regulated (whilst we were stuck in the bushes) and what are you proposing was regulated under Obama? Maybe the regulations were needed (especially when the President is on TV talking about "Hell, bring 'em on!". Just maybe.

And maybe not.

Maybe too much regulation is the main cause of record levels of unemployment and record levels of length of unemployment in the country today, as well as insane levels of food stamp use. Obama and the democrats tell us we are making money on the food stamp program.

Can you explain that nonsequitur?
Or explain why no reporter seems to have the intestinal fortitude to ask those democrats who parrot this propaganda to explain how we profit.

Over regulation by Hoover is cited by most economist as a huge contributing factor that caused the stock market crash that preceded what became known as the great depression.

Roosevelt said deficit spending and more socialization would be the remedy but obviously it was not.

Obama seems to be committed to the worst policies of both Hoover and Roosevelt.

If I had to name the single most egregious violation of good sense when it comes to regulation it would be the EPA's downright silly regulations set to go into effect in 2014 concerning coal fired electrical plants.

Watch your electric bill (if you actually pay for your own electricity) quadruple.

I don't know if Obama and company have left any segment of our economy untouched by more regulation.

BTW, FDR's son-in-law wrote in a book that the depression was a calculated shearing to the American people, I agree with that acessment and what Obama is doing is the same thing on and even grander scale.

At the rate we are going, not even counting huge unfunded socialist program promises, we will have to borrow money just to pay the interest on the money we already owe.

How does this make sense to ANYONE?

Nowadays young people grow up with such nanny state indoctrination that they tend to believe more government involvement and control will solve social and economic problems.

Name one modern country (the last two centuries) in the world in which complete government control of that society has ever been successful in the long run.

You can't, there never has been one and I submit there never will be.

 

[JayVols]

Massive government employment and spending (military personnel and military contracts with private industry to support the war effort) are what finally ended the Great Depression. I'm not advocating that now by any means, but that's the way it happened.

 

[gsvol]

This is where I'm at. Guy is insufferable. I am surprised that he is still tolerated. Not a fan of censorship at all, but I have seen bans for much less than gs' racial/religious hatred bs.

Sad thing is that I wonder what percentage of his posts are an act and what isn't. I've had conversations with him via PM. Wasn't a bad guy at all. I actually enjoyed the conversations. I take a break from the site for a while, and he attempts to insult me with personal attacks (over a freaking spelling mistake and supposedly a word misused that was used correctly) and childish name calling referencing my profession (not that it bothers me) on one of my first if not the first post back in the politics forum. I felt my comments were not inflammatory or an attack in any way- definitely not directed at him. I actually thought they were fairly benign. I have even defended him to a degree in the past. Guess the cease fire is over. That's fine. I'm a big boy that can play rough and be an ass as well. Game on!:machgun::gun::boobies::loco::rock:

Here, let me illustrate what just transpired.

Good to get that out of the way, now maybe we can get on the same page.

Ps; I was just wondering what was up with you when you made your first return post. Hope the condition of your condition hasn't worsened. Best wishes.

pps; How is the walleye fishing lately?

ppps; Wish we still had the PM option, supposed to be a spam issue, looks like a simple spam filter could cure that.

Massive government employment and spending (military personnel and military contracts with private industry to support the war effort) are what finally ended the Great Depression. I'm not advocating that now by any means, but that's the way it happened.

And that's how it will happen next time.

Wish we still had the PM deal.

I knew and enjoyed many an afternoon drinking beer with a guy (1) who called himself FDR's personal emmisarry at what he called his 'field office, (the field office was where ever you could get together with friends and beer and enjoy uncensored, intelligent conversation,) during the war he met with Hirohito, Churchill, Stalin and others, carrying verbal messages that won't ever be recorded in history books. (He also was scheduled to meet with Hitler but that involved an assassination plot and never came to fruition.)

BTW, in the book 'tragedy and hope' secret messages between all the major leaders, Churchill, FDR, Stalin, Hitler, Mousolini and Hirito is mentioned. The copy I read had 57 pages missing and another 57 pages repeated and from examining the glossary I could see there was a lot that I missed in those pages because the code words for those missions were referred to as being in those missing pages.

Here is a story from another guy (2) who knew him (1) well and worked with him during the war and afterwards.

I had asked the guy (2) about an incredible story the guy (1) from the field office told me that happened during the Cuban missile crisis in which he (1) was acting as JFK's messenger and speaking with Khruchev in the Kremlin and he (2) replied that he would never doubt a word the man (1) said, they had worked together on a foreign mission once and when they were briefed beforehand, our friend knew more about it than the guy briefing them.

I also asked another guy who had dated General Mac's
secretary and he said he sure as hell knew the General as he had went with him to Washington once and they visited the General's home in Virginia and the guy had spent all afternoon talking with him in his library.

Anyway the story I am retelling comes from the second guy who delivered 'eyes only' messages among other things, (that's where you handcuff a briefcase to your wrist and deliver it directly to the person the message is for, no one else), one of his favortie people was Joe Kennedy, when he was ambassador to England my friend (2) said Joe always bought him lunch or dinner after he delivered a message.

I am using (1 & 2) to differentuate between the two guys because I am writing this hurriedly and don't want to use their actual names or be too confusing.

Both these guys described themselves as sons of Tennessee moonshiners.

So #2 and I were talking about a mutual friend who basically drank himself to death on vodka and I villified the drinking of vodka, it's killed too many people I've known.

So he told me about the first drink of vodka he ever had.

He stepped off a transport ship in a port in the north of Russia in the early part of WWII and a little old crone offered him a liter of vodka for a cigarette and he gave her two cigs and took the vodka since they had just finnished off the last bottle of Scotch celebrating a safe trip to Russia. His government supplied guide said he could have gotten two bottles for two cigs.

Being a good listener, I heard the whole story leading up to that event.

While waiting in port in Scotland for intelligence to give them the all clear signal that it was safe to sail because at the time 80% of all ships crossing the Norwegian Sea were sunk by German subs, he had met John Haig and Mr. Haig had given him 12 cases of John Haig personal reserve Scotch. Haig and Haig personal reserve is never for sale at any time, sometimes it is gifted to others for whom the family has great respect.

He had a stateroom on the transport ship and his job was to escort 12 men (he called them dollar a year men because the US paid them a dollar as token for their services), to Russia to aid Stalin in building war machines to combat Hitler. These men were the heads of US industry such as Mr Pratt of Pratt and Whitney fame. Those guys just had six small, two bunk quarters so thay all spent most of their time in his stateroom drinking the Scotch provided by Mr Haig.

As I said, they finished off the last bottle as they sailed into the Soviet port.

Ever hear of or read the 'report from Iron Mountain?'

You can play nice, give and get respect or you can be an ankle biter and be the brunt of my disdain, the choice is entirely yours.

One particularly irritating ankly biter called me a dolt and in one of the few posts he makes that I dignified with and answer, I told him he should study hard not to be a dullard and then he could perhaps be a dolt like me.

What happened? Milo banned me for three days.

I am only unsufferable to those who want to say they are absolutely right and don't want other views expressed.

 

[KiffinKiller]

my moral compass constantly points south.

 

[gsvol]

when you fail to present the message is a credible fashion it's just human nature to expect it to all be crap. Even if he had a valid point the odds of it ever being read are very close to zero because of the delivery

I honestly can't tell when you're serious or not anymore. If my buddies saw that someone implied that I took myself too seriously, they would piss their pants from laughing so hard.

Busy with softball season. The walleye are safe.....for now.

Oops, missed this post.

Have any science teacher friends?

Ask them to explain what a quark is.

Listen intently and ask innocent questions.

Finally tell them they are all wrong, they don't have a clue what a quark is.

A quark is a sound.

It's the sound the offspring of a cross between a dog and a duck make. The little critters run around going; 'quark, quark, quark,' especially when the postman delivers the mail.

That's an original for what'shisface and his little ankle biting buddie.

So this thread is about anything EXCEPT BHO lying to the American public about administration energy policies, how does one catch a walleye?

gs, your diatribe has run dry. Look for another source.

Or you could stick around and be a VN punching bag(dead heat between you and lg).

Gotcha. Being new to the politics forum Im not familiar with GS... BTW, for my part I don't "hate" Obama. I just think he's way in over his head and hasn't any idea what being a president is all about. Of course the same could be said for the last 3 presidents before Obama also...

When they can't make even a feeble argument, they attempt to denegrate another poster, I think you pretty well understand what is going on here, new or not.

"The smartest decision of my life was selecting Joe Biden as my VP."

 

[gsvol]

Missing from Obama’s big energy tour: not a single word about GHGs or CO2 or climate [Reader Post] | Flopping Aces

Obama's first big energy-policy speech was to the United Nations in 2009 when he boldly told the entire world that it had to get off of fossil fuels because: "the threat from climate change is serious, it is urgent, and it is growing." "Rising sea levels threaten every coastline," blah, blah, blah, but to the true believers, it was lines from a psalm:

More powerful storms and floods threaten every continent. More frequent drought and crop failures breed hunger and conflict. All the largest emitters of greenhouse gas pollution [must] act together. Wind turbines and solar panels and batteries for hybrid cars. Loan guarantees and tax credits. A future that is worthy of our children.

Now, not a single word about climate or CO2. Guess that makes it official. Greenhouse gases and global warming are no longer a motivating concern for U.S. energy policy. Quick, tell the EPA, whose war on CO2 is already shutting down its first tenth of the grid. Not needed anymore guys. CO2 is no longer even worth mentioning. Can we hold Obama to it?

The President did repeat "clean energy" a bunch of times in his Nevada speech, but there is NOTHING unclean about CO2, so that doesn't count. CO2 is the essential nutrient from which all life on the surface of the earth is constructed. Animals get their carbon building blocks from plants which get it from atmospheric CO2 through photosynthesis, and current levels of CO2—about 0.039 percent of the atmosphere—are alarmingly close to the minimum required to sustain life.

From Lawrence Livermore Labs CO2 "fact sheet":

Carbon dioxide is necessary to sustain life in concentrations of about 0.04 percent of the earth's atmosphere ...

The biosphere craves more of this healthful gas, not less.

The ONLY concern about CO2 is the idea that its greenhouse warming effect might be dangerous, and no such concern is being voiced by Obama. Apparently it is off the table, which ought to clear off all of his green energy plans as well, because their explicit rationale has been the greenhouse threat from CO2.

"Climate" was why, in Obama's 2008 words, electricity prices would have to "necessarily skyrocket." It was all about capping CO2 in order to save the planet from global warming:

Brayin Candy

Consensus science has been refined to a pure brainwashing art form in today’s society. It is has been called groupthink but is far more sinister than simply people thinking the same way, it has become the primary method of forwarding an agenda by the commie micro-minority in America.

 

[gsvol]

it's like a warning label before clicking. Either it's incredibly stupid, a repost of a chain email or on good days it's a combo

What's missing from the thread is some incredibly stupid claim that Obama isn't lying.

How long does global warming have to stop to prove global warming has stopped? - Orange Punch : The Orange County Register

Those who insist that a fraction of a degree over a century and a half is evidence of global warming raging out of control aren’t real keen on what would disprove their alarmist theory.

But one of the high priest gurus of the movement said this not too long ago. . .

 

[gsvol]

Why wouldn't Obama lie about energy, he's lied about everything else.

List of Obama's Lies | Barack Obama Lies

He's pathological.