Barnes fires back at Pruitt allegations

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mr.checkerboards said:
How many brain cells are you missing? Seems like quite a few if you cant do some critical thinking.
Peace out thought, keep white knighting for Barnes. I'll be back in a week and a half once the season starts.
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I'll play:

If Barnes is dirty, then why has he missed on all of his most highly rated 22 recruits? Did he suddenly get undirty? Or did programs now getting commits from these recruits suddenly get dirtier than Barnes?

Please advise?
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
I'll play:

If Barnes is dirty, then why has he missed on all of his most highly rated 22 recruits? Did he suddenly get undirty? Or did programs now getting commits from these recruits suddenly get dirtier than Barnes?

Please advise?
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All the coaches in college basketball recruiting the elite talent are dirty. Some are dirtier than others, but in terms of paying players, it's all the same. Some coaches won't deal with "handlers/agents" though.

A kid still has a choice to make, but it's essentially the same job offer with the same salary. They are just picking which company to work for at that point. Relationships, fit, culture, playing time, location all still matter. You can't just walk into the 5 star basketball recruit store and pick one out and pay for them.

It's also not an auction where coaches are just bidding each other up and the player goes to the highest bidder. Now the smaller/less prestigious the program the more it will cost you, but the big time power 5 programs are typically pretty close.

If a kid gets a Will Wade offer, but really wants to go elsewhere, they tell their preferred choice what the offer was and ask if they will match it.

Remember Cuonzo Martin's recruiting suffering and he said it was because he wasn't getting enough booster support? Then he leaves for Cal and starts landing 5 stars? Did he all of a sudden figure out how to land elite talent? Do you think him saying he wasn't getting booster support was just about not getting to use a private jet?

It's really not that hard to understand.
 
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Vols8086 said:
All the coaches in college basketball recruiting the elite talent are dirty. Some are dirtier than others, but in terms of paying players, it's all the same. Some coaches won't deal with "handlers/agents" though.

A kid still has a choice to make, but it's essentially the same job offer with the same salary. They are just picking which company to work for at that point. Relationships, fit, culture, playing time, location all still matter. You can't just walk into the 5 star basketball recruit store and pick one out and pay for them.

It's also not an auction where coaches are just bidding each other up and the player goes to the highest bidder. Now the smaller/less prestigious the program the more it will cost you, but the big time power 5 programs are typically pretty close.

If a kid gets a Will Wade offer, but really wants to go elsewhere, they tell their preferred choice what the offer was and ask if they will match it.

Remember Cuonzo Martin's recruiting suffering and he said it was because he wasn't getting enough booster support? Then he leaves for Cal and starts landing 5 stars? Did he all of a sudden figure out how to land elite talent? Do you think him saying he wasn't getting booster support was just about not getting to use a private jet?

It's really not that hard to understand.
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You've got it all figured out, don't you?
 
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Vols8086 said:
I've already said one of our recent 5 star recruits got north of $200k from us. I also know that recruit asked for it in Barnes office with Barnes present.

So yes, Barnes knows. But if you want to keep burying your head in the sand and think we are landing 5 star players and are the only program not paying those guys, so be it. You think kids are turning down 6 figures just to come play here? Cmon man.

If I know these things then I'm sure Pruitt knows a lot more than I do.
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You've begun an accusation; now you should finish it. Who is the player who asked for north of $200k in Barnes' office? Who paid him the money? How did you come to know about this arrangement and that it was requested in Barnes' office?
 
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Vols8086 said:
All the coaches in college basketball recruiting the elite talent are dirty. Some are dirtier than others, but in terms of paying players, it's all the same. Some coaches won't deal with "handlers/agents" though.

A kid still has a choice to make, but it's essentially the same job offer with the same salary. They are just picking which company to work for at that point. Relationships, fit, culture, playing time, location all still matter. You can't just walk into the 5 star basketball recruit store and pick one out and pay for them.

It's also not an auction where coaches are just bidding each other up and the player goes to the highest bidder. Now the smaller/less prestigious the program the more it will cost you, but the big time power 5 programs are typically pretty close.

If a kid gets a Will Wade offer, but really wants to go elsewhere, they tell their preferred choice what the offer was and ask if they will match it.

Remember Cuonzo Martin's recruiting suffering and he said it was because he wasn't getting enough booster support? Then he leaves for Cal and starts landing 5 stars? Did he all of a sudden figure out how to land elite talent? Do you think him saying he wasn't getting booster support was just about not getting to use a private jet?

It's really not that hard to understand.
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If all that's true, then Barnes would be getting his share of 5-stars this year. But he isn't. You still haven't explained why, even though you say it isn't hard to understand.

As for Cuonzo, where is he now and how many 5-stars is he getting?
 
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cardvolfan said:
So, @Vols8086 and @mr.checkerboards Which schools are they trolling for? Everyone state their best guess as to who and why you think so.
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Has to be LSU. Follow the money. If enough people believe that everyone, including Rick Barnes, is as dirty as Wade, then Wade and LSU aren't that dirty. It's the "everyone does it" defense tactic.
 
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I think we are being real naive if you truly believe we aren’t paying players. You think other programs are, but we aren’t? And yet we are still landing top 5 classes? Let’s get real.

Nothing more dirty in college sports than basketball recruiting. Now does Pruitt have anything? I don’t know and frankly not sure it matters. Does the NCAA matter at this point? Should have never come to any of this anyway. Should have just paid him to go away for sucking at his job and kept the NCAA well out of Knoxville.
 
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BP4Prez said:
I think we are being real naive if you truly believe we aren’t paying players. You think other programs are, but we aren’t? And yet we are still landing top 5 classes? Let’s get real.

Nothing more dirty in college sports than basketball recruiting. Now does Pruitt have anything? I don’t know and frankly not sure it matters. Does the NCAA matter at this point? Should have never come to any of this anyway. Should have just paid him to go away for sucking at his job and kept the NCAA well out of Knoxville.
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Is Kellie Harper paying players? Tony V? Softball? Tell us who ISN'T paying players, please.
 
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youcancallmeAl said:
Didn't even attempt to answer my question.
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I don’t know about women’s sports. I would venture to say it’s much cleaner than the men’s game, just based on money and revenue. Same for baseball. Men’s BBall and football are the money makers. No point in comparing other sports to them.

Now your turn. Do you believe Calipari pays players? I do. What about Bill Self? I believe he does. I know coach K did (see Zion). You think we are recruiting with and even out recruiting these guys without playing by the same rules?
 
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I feel like it's an equally large assumption to think there aren't some 5-star and extremely talented players/families out there that are of moral character looking for a coach of the same. I don't believe that -every- player is seeking/accepting money just as much as I don't think every coach is dirty. Does that mean UT is clean on both ends of that? I don't know, but I want to think they are.
 
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JelloPuddinPup said:
I feel like it's an equally large assumption to think there aren't some 5-star and extremely talented players/families out there that are of moral character looking for a coach of the same. I don't believe that -every- player is seeking/accepting money just as much as I don't think every coach is dirty. Does that mean UT is clean on both ends of that? I don't know, but I want to think they are.
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Exactly. I don't know who is and who isn't dirty. But I am as certain as I can be that there are clean coaches, players and parents out there who seek each other out. I truly hope Barnes is one of those coaches and, given how and who he has successfully recruited over time, I think it is far more likely he is one of the good guys rather than one of the others. Weirdly, I still believe there is good in the world of sports even though I have given up on the existence of Santa and the Easter Bunny. Go Vols!
 
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BP4Prez said:
I don’t know about women’s sports. I would venture to say it’s much cleaner than the men’s game, just based on money and revenue. Same for baseball. Men’s BBall and football are the money makers. No point in comparing other sports to them.
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Dawn Staley makes 3 million dollars per year as the head coach of South Carolina WBB. Geno A. makes 2.3 MM. What's your opinion now?

Tony V and Corbin at Vandy both make more than a million dollars per year. Is that not enough money to temp one to cheat in order to keep those checks from rolling in?

BP4Prez said:
Now your turn. Do you believe Calipari pays players? I do. What about Bill Self? I believe he does. I know coach K did (see Zion). You think we are recruiting with and even out recruiting these guys without playing by the same rules?
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You're the one making claims. I'm one of those asking questions of you to test your claims. If you want to make accusations, bring the evidence with you. And calling those who ask you questions "naive" isn't the same as bringing the evidence, and is ignored by me.
 
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chattavol420 said:
It all goes back to fulmer man. How the hell we let him back in the building amd let him make this hire is so freaking bizarre. How in the hell he sat there in an interview with Pruitt and thought ya this is who I want to be the face of our football program is criminal. I know it wasn’t always this way but you’ve got to question is fulmer as dumb as Pruitt. Pruitt would say thing like the ru done this and we wuz in position but they done gooder than we done there…I mean my god. Just glad it’s over. Please god never let idiots run our football program again.
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Can not like this enough. It was Fulmer and his ego for the second time that destroyed the program. I can not believe that our administrative idiots were dumb enough to give him another buyout.
 
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17Vols said:
The problem isn’t that it could get dirty, but it could drag on for a while and that will definitely effect our ability to recruit. I’d probably just settle and then hold a press conference explaining that no amount of money is too much to finally divorce from a POS like Pruitt. But that’s just me
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The problem with just settling now is that you admit that UT is the culprit and Pruitt is the victim here. Considering where the probe is now there is no way I would give in to Pruitt. It is not like we can avoid the publicity after Pruitt's lawyer made the statements he has made this week.

Personally, I think it is time for a major investigation of the SEC and its standard operating recruiting procedures. Especially when everyone knows that we will not be able to compete now that we will not be able to play by the same rules as other conference schools. If I were UT I would be pushing for investigations by the FBI, NYT, or 60 Minutes into how the schools and handlers operate in the south. Really, the conference has very little credibility now and that affects the image of college athletics in general. We are not far from the WWE.
 
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Lurker said:
Exactly. I don't know who is and who isn't dirty. But I am as certain as I can be that there are clean coaches, players and parents out there who seek each other out. I truly hope Barnes is one of those coaches and, given how and who he has successfully recruited over time, I think it is far more likely he is one of the good guys rather than one of the others. Weirdly, I still believe there is good in the world of sports even though I have given up on the existence of Santa and the Easter Bunny. Go Vols!
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There are those that would have us believe all the successful coaches are dirty. That’s like saying every human in the world is bad. Sure, there is bad, but there is more good than bad. It’s just that the vocal minority scream louder in their vain attempts to make you believe their story. I have faith and believe that good wins out over bad every day of the week.
 
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