BASEBALL CENTRAL: Vols at #3 Vanderbilt

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BruinVol said:
Seriously??? Many , many top notch programs are going to turf just like this. It's the new wave and I assumed you of all posters would know this. 20years from now I wil notl be surprised if more D1 schools do have turf than don't.
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Who are some of the others? Vandy was unique from what I understood and it was a major point of discussion and complaint at the SEC baseball coaches meetings in the fall. Vandy did it without getting league approval and that has rubbed many the wrong way.
 
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BruinVol said:
Again you are letting your hate for vandy cloud reality. Realty is vandy and MANY other college programs have just the same surface around the bases. Vandy is a follower here and only doing what many other schools have done with turf.
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Belmont I believe is the other in state and everyone hates it and the only other program that really hates Belmont is Lipscomb.
 
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fryeguy93 said:
Belmont I believe is the other in state and everyone hates it and the only other program that really hates Belmont is Lipscomb.
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Etsu, Texas, Oregon, Troy, Louisville, witchitah state, Louisiana Lafayette, all just off the top of my head
 
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One more series like this and its time to consider my suggestion of Godley pitching on Sunday. If he starts today we salvage one win. One win a weekend will get us to Hoover from here on out.
 
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BruinVol said:
One more series like this and its time to consider my suggestion of Godley pitching on Sunday. If he starts today we salvage one win. One win a weekend will get us to Hoover from here on out.
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Agree. Outside of Godley our pitching is below average at best
 
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Swept by Vandy?


Same ol ****, different season.

Wonder when Serrano will live up to his billing.
 
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We'll be fine. Have utmost faith in the man.

Really, I do.

There is no other coach that could be hired who is more qualified than CDS. We'll be back int he world series before Vanderbilt ever will be.
 
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StallingsBaldSpot said:
Really? Because we will be there this year.
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That world class education should have taught you to stop counting at one when considering how many trips to Omaha college baseball's biggest choke artist has taken in Corbin. Need any help counting the vols trips to the CWS?? After you figure that answer out perhaps you should count DS trips to Omaha. You will quickly realize your coach hasn't done enough for you to come on here bragging other than being the games biggest choker.
 
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CDS is coming up on AM 990, sports animal in a few moments.
 
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BruinVol said:
That world class education should have taught you to stop counting at one when considering how many trips to Omaha college baseball's biggest choke artist has taken in Corbin. Need any help counting the vols trips to the CWS?? After you figure that answer out perhaps you should count DS trips to Omaha. You will quickly realize your coach hasn't done enough for you to come on here bragging other than being the games biggest choker.
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You call it bragging, I call it defending my program.

Only ONCE has this program "choked." That was 2007 when we were the #1 overall seed.

2011, we ran into Florida. They had our number all year and frankly they were the better team. Seeing as how they went 5-1 against us that year(reg season, Hoover, Omaha).

You talk about how many times Serrano has been to Omaha, but what has he done since he's been the head guy at Tennessee? Nada. Granted he is in the infancy of his regime but you're talking like he's already overtaken the state as the supreme baseball program. How many recruiting battles has he beaten Corbin in? You should ask Jordan Sheffield that question. Let me preface tht by saying I don't think Jordan ends up at VU, I think he signs with a pro team.

Here is another little bit of info, it took 2 years for Corbin to take VU to the NCAA tournament. This is year number 2 for Serrano, will y'all make it?

I'll send you a post card from Omaha. Maybe y'all can at least make it to Hoover this year.
 
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StallingsBaldSpot said:
Only ONCE has this program "choked."
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Laughable!!! You have a top 5 recruiting class every year because you have twice as many scholarships as everybody else and yet only one trip to Omaha. Gray, price, minor, weathers, flarety, Alvarez, and all the other high drafts but yet only one trip. Choke artist at its finest.

Enjoy being in the same class as Stoney brook, kent state, Missouri state, laffeyette...... And all the rest of the one hit wonders.
 
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This bickering drives me nuts. Vanderbilt is better than we are at baseball. If this weekend didn't prove that to you, I can't help you. On the flip side, we are closing the gap. This weekend proved that to me.

On the choke subject, I agree that Vandy's only real choke was in '07, and I might encourage you to look at what we did and what we did it with in 2007. 2 freshman All Americans and 3 first rounders... I'd have to look back but, umm... I don't think we made a regional.
 
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BigOrange51 said:
This bickering drives me nuts. Vanderbilt is better than we are at baseball. If this weekend didn't prove that to you, I can't help you. On the flip side, we are closing the gap. This weekend proved that to me.

On the choke subject, I agree that Vandy's only real choke was in '07, and I might encourage you to look at what we did and what we did it with in 2007. 2 freshman All Americans and 3 first rounders... I'd have to look back but, umm... I don't think we made a regional.
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Of course vandy is better than tenn and I certainly am not claiming otherwise.


Here's a question to consider when thinking of vandy being choke artist.

How many top 5 classes has Corbin had in a row???


When you have a top elite recruiting class every year you should finish in the top 8 in college baseball more than once in a decade. Anything less than a trip to Omaha every three years is underachieving in my book and that's exactly what they are doing.
 
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BruinVol said:
Laughable!!! You have a top 5 recruiting class every year because you have twice as many scholarships as everybody else and yet only one trip to Omaha. Gray, price, minor, weathers, flarety, Alvarez, and all the other high drafts but yet only one trip. Choke artist at its finest.

Enjoy being in the same class as Stoney brook, kent state, Missouri state, laffeyette...... And all the rest of the one hit wonders.
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A bit butthurt are we? I'll take my program right now and the future over your program 8 ways from Sunday.

Seems you're a bit mad that Vanderbilt can afford to give merit based scholarships. By the way this wasn't done to help our baseball team. This was done to follow suit with the Ivy League schools that have been doing this for years.

Again, the only year we have failed to live up to expectations was 2007. Price, minor, Weathers, and Alvarez were all on that 2007 team.
 
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StallingsBaldSpot said:
A bit butthurt are we? I'll take my program right now
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Typical candy attitude. Happy to be considered good but never aspiring for greatness. Predictable attitude from a fan of an athletic program that has never experienced any kind of greatness in anything of significance in its entire history.
 
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BruinVol said:
Typical candy attitude. Happy to be considered good but never aspiring for greatness. Predictable attitude from a fan of an athletic program that has never experienced any kind of greatness in anything of significance in its entire history.
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Not really sticking up for Vandy here, but have you paid any attention whatsoever to our football, basketball and baseball programs for the past 2-3 years? This is athletics, where it is all about the present. The Carlisle Indian School was really good in football when Pop Warner and Jim Thorpe were there, but I don't hear many of them bragging about what a great program they are or disrespecting other programs. You can count long-ago championships all you want, but the truth of the matter is that Vandy is equal to or better than UT in each of these three men's sports as of today. With the Vols huge advantage in resources, this is somewhat embarrassing: the truth of the matter is that Vandy has lately been doing more with less - imho we should respect that and strive to top it, not sit back and criticize their success.
 
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State of the Vols said:
Not really sticking up for Vandy here, but have you paid any attention whatsoever to our football, basketball and baseball programs for the past 2-3 years?
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At no point have I posted that our athletic programs are where they need to be or as good as candy. However that has nothing to do with my ability to determine that Corbin is a choke artist. You posters do realize he is recruiting to the same equivilant as cal at Kentucky in hoops??? Multiple elite number one recruiting classes but yet only one top 8 finish. Any you posters think cal would get any heat if he went to only one elite 8 in a decade??

As I said when they go to Omaha once every three years like many other elite programs have done, they will be considered elite but until then they just squander talent.
 
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State of the Vols said:
imho we should respect that and strive to top it, not sit back and criticize their success.
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Sorry I will reserve respect for those programs that have found a to get to Omaha more than one time in Corbin's tenure.

Arizona 2
arizona state 4
Arkansas 3
Cal state Fullerton 5
Clemson 3
Florida 4
Georgia 4
Georgia tech 2
LSU 5
Miami 5
Nebraska 3
UNC 5
Oregon State 3
Rice 5
USC 6
Stanford 4
Texas 4
Tulane 2
UCLA 2


I tend to respect programs that find ways to win when it matters the most. The fact of the matter is many other programs deserve that respect over candy!
 
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BruinVol said:
At no point have I posted that our athletic programs are where they need to be or as good as candy. However that has nothing to do with my ability to determine that Corbin is a choke artist. You posters do realize he is recruiting to the same equivilant as cal at Kentucky in hoops??? Multiple elite number one recruiting classes but yet only one top 8 finish. Any you posters think cal would get any heat if he went to only one elite 8 in a decade??

As I said when they go to Omaha once every three years like many other elite programs have done, they will be considered elite but until then they just squander talent.
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Three #1 recruiting classes. The first won the conference and conference tourney. You could easily call their regional a "choke" but in reality, its just baseball. That team battled through the losers bracket and wore themselves out in Hoover.

The second and 3rd recruiting classes are freshman and sophomores respectively. I don't think its fair to judge them yet. They have plenty of time to make a couple CWS's and maybe even win one.

Besides that, recruiting rankings are only an assessment of perceived potential. They really don't mean anything. Think of the class at SC that went to 3 straight CWS finals.
Revisiting 2008 Recruiting Class Rankings - BaseballAmerica.com
Now consider who are the most valuable players on Corbin's current team. I'd say Tony Kemp and Brian Miller are atop that list. Neither were very highly regarded out of high school.

Baseball and basketball are not really comparable in terms of recruiting. Big time arms are huge to fill slots in the bullpen, but they aren't basically guaranteed to dominate like comparable talents in basketball.

Baseball is a funny game and I agree the results aren't exactly congruent with the talent level there. But a winning culture is hard to build. A championship culture is even harder to build. And past that, to be able to sustain that championship culture is unbelievably difficult, especially at a school that has never won ANYTHING. I think Vandy should be proud of the program that they have built there, but they should not be satisfied. I don't think they are and I don't think they ever will be. To say they are choke artists isn't really fair.
 
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BigOrange51 said:
Three #1 recruiting classes. The first won the conference and conference tourney. You could easily call their regional a "choke" but in reality, its just baseball. That team battled through the losers bracket and wore themselves out in Hoover.

The second and 3rd recruiting classes are freshman and sophomores respectively. I don't think its fair to judge them yet. They have plenty of time to make a couple CWS's and maybe even win one.

Besides that, recruiting rankings are only an assessment of perceived potential. They really don't mean anything. Think of the class at SC that went to 3 straight CWS finals.
Revisiting 2008 Recruiting Class Rankings - BaseballAmerica.com
Now consider who are the most valuable players on Corbin's current team. I'd say Tony Kemp and Brian Miller are atop that list. Neither were very highly regarded out of high school.

Baseball and basketball are not really comparable in terms of recruiting. Big time arms are huge to fill slots in the bullpen, but they aren't basically guaranteed to dominate like comparable talents in basketball.

Baseball is a funny game and I agree the results aren't exactly congruent with the talent level there. But a winning culture is hard to build. A championship culture is even harder to build. And past that, to be able to sustain that championship culture is unbelievably difficult, especially at a school that has never won ANYTHING. I think Vandy should be proud of the program that they have built there, but they should not be satisfied. I don't think they are and I don't think they ever will be. To say they are choke artists isn't really fair.
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I certainly can agree with most of your post and yes Corbin deserves credit for alot of what he has done. The issue is he hasn't gotten over the hump. The number 1 recruiting class issue you bring up is good info to consider but the question is what rated classes did those back to back number 1 classes follow?? The answer to that question is the point of my stance. I don't think vandy has been outside of the top 5 in recruiting in a number of years.
 
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