BASEBALL CENTRAL: Vols vs. #11 S. Carolina

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#27
I have often wondered why teams short on arms didn't use their Sunday starter as a a closer on Friday. Well tonight that's what we saw.
 
#28
#28
I did not keep score at game bit I believe 4 of the guys that scored for South Carolina reached on catchers interference, error, walk, and HBP.

That's a lot of free base runners.
 
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BruinVol said:
I have often wondered why teams short on arms didn't use their Sunday starter as a a closer on Friday. Well tonight that's what we saw.
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Last year, Serrano started Godley on Friday night against South Carolina and Michael Roth, and we won with Steckenrider pitching middle relief and Nick Blount closing. Without that kind of veteran relief pitching available this year, Serrano needed a different approach.

He pushed the right buttons to put his team in position to win on Friday without using his number one.

Although it didn't work, I like the fact that Serrano's post game remarks showed he hadn't set up the backward rotation to avoid a sweep on Sunday, but to try to win or even sweep the series.

Unfortunately, now we absolutely need Williams to go deep today because the bullpen is fairly spent.
 
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ShowmeVols said:
He pushed the right buttons to put his team in position to win on Friday without using his number one.

Although it didn't work, I like the fact that Serrano's post game remarks showed he hadn't set up the backward rotation to avoid a sweep on Sunday, but to try to win or even sweep the series.

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He did use his number 1 and what would you expect him to say??
 
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fryeguy93 said:
I did not keep score at game bit I believe 4 of the guys that scored for South Carolina reached on catchers interference, error, walk, and HBP.

That's a lot of free base runners.
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Yes, even though the box score counts only two errors this loss should have never happened. The first SC run came from a player who got on by catcher's interference error and then reached scoring position with a walk and a wild pitch (passed ball). The next inning they loaded the bases with two walks and a wild pitch (passed ball) but got out without letting them score. The second runner to score was put on by a walk. The third and fourth runs were from a combination of two walks, a bunt that the Vols failed to make a play on, a HBP, and another wild pitch (passed ball) with bases loaded! The nail in the coffin was the winning run that got on base by a third base error but from what I saw that wouldn't have mattered if we had stopped the bleeding with a defensive adjustment at the plate earlier in the game. :dunno:
 
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KnoxBound said:
Yes, even though the box score counts only two errors this loss should have never happened. The first SC run came from a player who got on by catcher's interference error and then reached scoring position with a walk and a wild pitch (passed ball). The next inning they loaded the bases with two walks and a wild pitch (passed ball) but got out without letting them score. The second runner to score was put on by a walk. The third and fourth runs were from a combination of two walks, a bunt that the Vols failed to make a play on, a HBP, and another wild pitch (passed ball) with bases loaded! The nail in the coffin was the winning run that got on base by a third base error but from what I saw that wouldn't have mattered if we had stopped the bleeding with a defensive adjustment at the plate earlier in the game. :dunno:
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AMEN! too many passed balls being called wild pitches .
 
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KnoxBound said:
Yes, even though the box score counts only two errors this loss should have never happened. The first SC run came from a player who got on by catcher's interference error and then reached scoring position with a walk and a wild pitch (passed ball). The next inning they loaded the bases with two walks and a wild pitch (passed ball) but got out without letting them score. The second runner to score was put on by a walk. The third and fourth runs were from a combination of two walks, a bunt that the Vols failed to make a play on, a HBP, and another wild pitch (passed ball) with bases loaded! The nail in the coffin was the winning run that got on base by a third base error but from what I saw that wouldn't have mattered if we had stopped the bleeding with a defensive adjustment at the plate earlier in the game. :dunno:
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beachqueen said:
AMEN! too many passed balls being called wild pitches .
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Obviously friend's and relatives of Ethan's. Pretty transparent. Laying the entire blame for the loss of this game at the feet of the freshman Houser is laughable. BTW, expand your understanding of the game of baseball and look up the definition of a wild pitch and that of a passed ball. May keep you from throwing players under the bus in the future. :dunno:
 
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volminator55 said:
Obviously friend's and relatives of Ethan's. Pretty transparent. Laying the entire blame for the loss of this game at the feet of the freshman Houser is laughable. BTW, expand your understanding of the game of baseball and look up the definition of a wild pitch and that of a passed ball. May keep you from throwing players under the bus in the future. :dunno:
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Well, I can't speak for beachqueen, but actually I do not personally know Bennett or Manis. I just believe in replacing a player who is neither contributing defensively or offensively over several innings of a game. I did NOT mention a player's name and I really am not a fan of calling out one 18 YEAR OLD player. I do not think the catcher who was playing is not a good player anymore than I think the third baseman is not a great player just because he made one error. Someone asked what happened in the game and I was pointing out that most of the scoring happened due to several pitches that got past the catcher (and yes I do know the difference between pb and wp although they are not always called correctly), as well as a catcher's interference call and a bunt that the catcher let sit on the line rather than make a play on. Did NOT blame the loss on one player...but I do believe he should have been replaced in that particular game. If you are a parent/friend of the player you are defending I understand the defensiveness. No hard feelings. Hold on tight though - Vol fans can be brutal and this will not be the first time your player will be questioned.
 
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#37
“I did NOT mention a player's name and I really am not a fan of calling out one 18 YEAR OLD player”[/I]

You did not have to mention his name and you pretty much are calling out an 18 year old player.

“Someone asked what happened in the game…”

Someone pointed out a catcher’s interference, walk, error, HBP and then stated too many free passes. You took it a mile further by arguing the catcher as the reason for the loss.

"..and I was pointing out that most of the scoring happened due to several pitches that got past the catcher (and yes I do know the difference between pb and wp although they are not always called correctly),"

But you just disagree on the scorer’s interpretation even though one run scored on a ball to the wall that was in the dirt almost behind the rh batter. But OK, by your standards passed ball.

"as well as a catcher's interference call and a bunt that the catcher let sit on the line rather than make a play on."

Catcher’s interference was square on the catcher. The skillful bunt with luck mixed in happens now and then. When a ball is rolling towards the foul line with runners advancing, it is fundamental that you let it go foul if it has the chance. In this case the ball fell off the grass onto the base path and foul line then stopped before crossing. Should he have picked it up when it was rolling towards the line to throw the runner out at first leaving a runner at third or let it go foul and put the runner back at 2nd and the batter back in the box? You can argue either way but it was a beauty of a bunt and the batter was lucky it stopped an inch short of crossing the line.

"Did NOT blame the loss on one player..."

Your entire post basically blames one player. Maybe you should reread it again.

"...but I do believe he should have been replaced in that particular game. If you are a parent/friend of the player you are defending I understand the defensiveness.
No hard feelings. Hold on tight though - Vol fans can be brutal and this will not be the first time your player will be questioned."

He’s not my player and I am not defending him. Maybe it’s you who needs to grow a thicker skin for being questioned on such a wrong post. I’m just surprised at your drubbing of him for the nine inning loss. If you had been critical of certain plays or decisions by all that went on I could understand that. But you take almost every walk, HBP, hit, error, and resulting run back to the catcher. The catcher did not lose this game. He was a part of it but this game was given to SC by the team. You’re right when you said the game should have been won. You’re wrong when you put it on one guy.

From your first post: “The nail in the coffin was the winning run that got on base by a third base error but from what I saw that wouldn't have mattered if we had stopped the bleeding with a defensive adjustment at the plate earlier in the game.”

Well at least you didn’t blame the catcher for that run!

I AM holding on tight as this is going to be a tough second half as well. Serrano is on the right track and this young team is being seasoned by fire as well as failure.
To quote Michael Jordan: "I have missed more than 9,000shots in my career. I have lost almost 300 games. On 26 occasions I have been entrusted to take the game winning shot, and I missed. I have failed over and over and over again in my life. And that's precisely why I succeed."

I have every reason to believe that next year UT will once again be a competitive team and in 2015 when these freshmen and sophomores are juniors and seniors, the VOLS will be a top tier SEC team once again.

Until then I'm going back to watching these kids play and try not to critize them for something I could never do. :popcorn:
 
#38
#38
First, I'd like to welcome the Houser family member to the board.:D

Second, I would like to caution everyone that family members do occasionally post and/or read the board. I understand how they would take some of this personally. Think before you post......If there are family members, don't embarrass your son by what you say or do here.

Third: This program has a long way to go but as a Vol fan, you have to be proud of the effort this group is giving. The Vols are too young and experienced in most areas, and to be honest not talented enough in others. But, as 55 said, Serrano is on the right track. In fact, I saw a tweet from CDS today that said he was in California looking for pitching, pitching and more pitching.
 
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#39
#39
I have every reason to believe that next year UT will once again be a competitive team and in 2015 when these freshmen and sophomores are juniors and seniors, the VOLS will be a top tier SEC team once again.

Until then I'm going back to watching these kids play and try not to critize them for something I could never do. :popcorn:[/QUOTE]

The way the VOLS are currently playing I feel there will be alot of turnover again. IMO the players need time to grow but this coaching staff will pull scholarship money so that they can bring in more players. CDS is saying the same things he said last year to the press...the difference is its happening earlier this season than last.
 
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#40
#40
I'm a results-oriented guy. And I know it's important to look well beyond a game, or a series, or even a season. BUt based on the stats and performance I've seen so far, there are two guys who stand out to me as conspicuously missing from our regular lineup: Wormsley and Bennett. I can't understand why they don't see more action. Can anyone explain?
 
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#41
Wholeheartedly agree, but have no explanation. Wormsley has a 343 batting average which is 3rd highest on team, no errors and on base % of 452 which is 2nd on team, ironically behind Bennett with on base of 463. Will be interesting to see who he starts this weekend in Kentucky.
 
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