Baseball is going out.

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milohimself said:
In most major sports, how does commercial/television revenue compare with ticket, merch, etc. revenue?
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Baseball has huge TV contracts with ESPN and DIRECTV. They sell as much merchandise as any sport. I don't remember any great battle between the dish providers to get exclusive rights to NHL Center Ice.
 
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Baseball is secure in its audience for the foreseeable future.
There is an argument to be made though that MLB has done some seemingly small things that might tug at it's base with youth. ie, playoff games that start at 9:30 or 10pm eastern... a move to pay per viiew regular season rights packages.. and the now astronomical cost of a day at the park to a family of four.

MLB should be careful that it doesn't program itself out of the median fanbase in the future I think. But America's game still has the complete attention of millions...
 
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Haha I mean their hockey analyst team consists of 1 man, Barry Melrose. That guy is the Bruce Pearl of Hockey
 
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i think the attendance records and revenue etc...may be a bit of a "spinnable" stat.....and the only reason why is the number of games played each year.......

it's relatively easy to get tickets to, it's affordable for the most part, for a family of four to go to the ball park and catch a game. and are we doing ticket sales or butts in seats?

where as for the NFL, it is increasingly expensive to go to one of those games for a family of four, and there's only 8 home games per season, and there are still sell outs in most NFL cities each weekend....

which could just go to choice......are people choosing to save their money for the more expensive NFL games in the fall, in lieu of going to MLB games that are more affordable for the quantity of games you could go see?

the NBA...eh, either way, i just don't care about the NBA.

but in any event, when i see baseball games on TV, unless its the cubs, cards, yankees or red sox, there are many, many, many open seats in most stadiums for most games. Hell, the braves can't even sell out an NLCS game........

i think a more comparable stat would be sellouts vs. sell outs? eh, maybe not.

then there's always the consideration of what baseline are we really talking about? ok, they may be up, but up from what? it's kind of hard for the NFL to be up, if most games are sold out each week...and i don't presume that every NFL game is sold out each weekend, but i'd bet that on a % of games played, the NFL is much higher than MLB or any other professional sport for that matter.

anyway, i'm over 25, and i could care less about baseball.

and until the NHL changes/revamps/blows up and starts over it's current TV deal, the NHL will always be dead last, right wrong or indifferent. Baseball still at least has a national appeal, hockey is still regional at best.
 
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jakez4ut said:
i think the attendance records and revenue etc...may be a bit of a "spinnable" stat.....and the only reason why is the number of games played each year.......

it's relatively easy to get tickets to, it's affordable for the most part, for a family of four to go to the ball park and catch a game. and are we doing ticket sales or butts in seats?

where as for the NFL, it is increasingly expensive to go to one of those games for a family of four, and there's only 8 home games per season, and there are still sell outs in most NFL cities each weekend....

which could just go to choice......are people choosing to save their money for the more expensive NFL games in the fall, in lieu of going to MLB games that are more affordable for the quantity of games you could go see?

the NBA...eh, either way, i just don't care about the NBA.

but in any event, when i see baseball games on TV, unless its the cubs, cards, yankees or red sox, there are many, many, many open seats in most stadiums for most games. Hell, the braves can't even sell out an NLCS game........

i think a more comparable stat would be sellouts vs. sell outs? eh, maybe not.

then there's always the consideration of what baseline are we really talking about? ok, they may be up, but up from what? it's kind of hard for the NFL to be up, if most games are sold out each week...and i don't presume that every NFL game is sold out each weekend, but i'd bet that on a % of games played, the NFL is much higher than MLB or any other professional sport for that matter.

anyway, i'm over 25, and i could care less about baseball.

and until the NHL changes/revamps/blows up and starts over it's current TV deal, the NHL will always be dead last, right wrong or indifferent. Baseball still at least has a national appeal, hockey is still regional at best.
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Of course football has a higher percentage of sellouts. They only have to sell eight dates a year, the vast majority on Sundays. Give them eighty one nights a year, with a bunch of Tuesday nights, and you'll see that percentage drop rapidly.
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Baseball is secure in its audience for the foreseeable future.
There is an argument to be made though that MLB has done some seemingly small things that might tug at it's base with youth. ie, playoff games that start at 9:30 or 10pm eastern... a move to pay per viiew regular season rights packages.. and the now astronomical cost of a day at the park to a family of four.

MLB should be careful that it doesn't program itself out of the median fanbase in the future I think. But America's game still has the complete attention of millions...
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this is a good point......the majority of hte stars in baseball are largely unrelatable to the average sports fan (or an increasing number of htem are anyway)...whether it be the free spending owner(s) that will pay gobs of money to some of these guys or the ever increasing international flavor of the sport, to just baseball being a "slower" sport, i don't know......

i do know this, those that are baseball fans, will be baseball fans........the problem is, over time, will MLB be able to attract and grow that fan base???

just opinion here.......
 
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orange+white=heaven said:
Man, that's just funny...
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maybe.......

i just know when i lived in Atlanta, and thru my travels, i've never had any problems getting tickets to any game (save the cubs/white sox game at wrigley two years ago), and i've never had to pay really more than like 25/30 bucks a ticket.....they were nose bleed seats, but compare that to 65 bucks for nose bleeds at a Panthers game here in Charlotte.....
 
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jakez4ut said:
maybe.......

i just know when i lived in Atlanta, and thru my travels, i've never had any problems getting tickets to any game (save the cubs/white sox game at wrigley two years ago), and i've never had to pay really more than like 25/30 bucks a ticket.....they were nose bleed seats, but compare that to 65 bucks for nose bleeds at a Panthers game here in Charlotte.....
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I do know my parents had to sell their PSL rights because they $240 a seat/per game at Bank of America
 
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jakez4ut said:
maybe.......

i just know when i lived in Atlanta, and thru my travels, i've never had any problems getting tickets to any game (save the cubs/white sox game at wrigley two years ago), and i've never had to pay really more than like 25/30 bucks a ticket.....they were nose bleed seats, but compare that to 65 bucks for nose bleeds at a Panthers game here in Charlotte.....
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Tough to compare a baseball ticket to a football ticket though. Football is always going to be harder to come by due to such a limited number of games.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Of course football has a higher percentage of sellouts. They only have to sell eight dates a year, the vast majority on Sundays. Give them eighty one nights a year, with a bunch of Tuesday nights, and you'll see that percentage drop rapidly.
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i believe i stated that to begin with........

i know that for hte most part, there's not many people out there that just "have to" get to the Braves/Brewers game on a random Tuesday night.

that's not the case with the NFL on any given Thursday/sunday/Monday........that's all i'm saying. MLB will never sell out on the same basis of the NFL.

and i'll concede that more people on annual basis view MLB games live than they do NFL games live, it just depends on how you want to use whatever stat you have......especially considering the drastic difference in games played etc......

if you have a choice.......to watch on TV only.......a baseball game or football game, which would you watch? i'd choose the football game....and i think there is a growing number of people that would do the same......
 
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jakez4ut said:
if you have a choice.......to watch on TV only.......a baseball game or football game, which would you watch? i'd choose the football game....and i think there is a growing number of people that would do the same......
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The great thing is that except for a few days in September I never have to make this choice and I can just enjoy both.
 
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GAVol said:
Tough to compare a baseball ticket to a football ticket though. Football is always going to be harder to come by due to such a limited number of games.
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i agree....no argument whatsoever......which does beg the question, if you as a sports fan have to make a decision on what to do with that money........what would you rather do?

go to 3 or 4 MLB games a year, or go to one NFL game?

i'm one to say, i'd skip the MLB games and hold out for football season. and i think there is a growing number of people that fall in to that category...
 
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GAVol said:
The great thing is that except for a few days in September I never have to make this choice and I can just enjoy both.
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well of course you can...........but what if only one? gun to your head, you can only watch one, which would it be?

for me, football, no hesitation.
 
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The better question is 1 football game or 10 baseball games (1/8th of 81).

It's still not fair though, because 1 football game usually has more of an impact than 10 baseball games.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well of course you can...........but what if only one? gun to your head, you can only watch one, which would it be?

for me, football, no hesitation.
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For me, it's a tossup depending on who is playing.
 
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Yeah, Panthers/Browns or Yankees/Red Sox.

Or, I'd rather go to Yanks/Sox than 1 Panthers/Falcons game.

I mean I can watch those football games on TV and get a good experience, but being in the Stadium for NY-Bos is just something I couldn't give up.
 
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GAVol said:
For me, it's a tossup depending on who is playing.
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UTLCA said:
Yeah, Panthers/Browns or Yankees/Red Sox.

Or, I'd rather go to Yanks/Sox than 1 Panthers/Falcons game.

I mean I can watch those football games on TV and get a good experience, but being in the Stadium for NY-Bos is just something I couldn't give up.
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fair enough.

i'd just rather watch any NFL game over any MLB game......for two reasons.......1. i like football bettter than Baseball and 2. the yanks and sox are going to play about 40 more times during the season, i'll catch it again at some point........

it's just personal preference, and i understand that, and like i've arleady said, if you are a basefall fan now, nothing is going to deter you from it, more than likely, and that's fine.......

i'm just not convinced that the MLB on it's own accord is going to draw new audiences like the NFL has or even NASCAR has (and i'm one that thinks NASCAR is a much worse product now that it was 10-15 years ago, so i'm one they've lost in reality).

so some games, cards/cubs, yanks/sox whatever, are worth watching......but for many others, who cares?
 
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It's an age old question I guess. Actually not, but it has become unanswerable.
 
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milohimself said:
As Colin Cowherd has pointed out recently, UFC on Spike TV drew higher ratings than the World Series with 18-24 year olds. That says a lot about where baseball is really at. Those 18-24 year olds are gonna be the ones going on to make all the money in the next decade, and they're not gonna care about baseball. That's the money demographic, and baseball is getting beat by mixed martial arts.
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I disagree completely. At some point the 18-24 year olds are going to realize they don't want to be knuckle draggers anymore and they are going to develop more refined tastes.
 
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GAVol said:
I disagree completely. At some point the 18-24 year olds are going to realize they don't want to be knuckle draggers anymore and they are going to develop more refined tastes.
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Well I am in the over 30 bracket and consider my tastes plenty refined. Would much rather watch a UFC bout than a baseball game any day of the week. I was able to pull my knuckles off the ground just long enough to type that sentence.
 
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UTLCA said:
It's an age old question I guess. Actually not, but it has become unanswerable.
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to some degree.......i would have a hard time not believing that the popularity alone of the NFL outweighs its baseball counterpart these days.

i look at it like this......i'm a pretty avid sports fan, i think i keep up with things pretty well, and the only thing i could really tell you about MLB this year is that the Sox and Yanks are hte favs in the EAST, the Tigers are the fav in the Central and the A's are the fav in the West, that Kerry Wood and Mark Pryor are talent wasted cause of injury, that Tony Larusa had one too many and Barry bonds is going to break HA's record.

now, other than the Larusa story, how much of that has changed really over the last 3-5 years? there's virtually nothing new coming out of baseball, except where Roger Clemmons will pitch, if anywhere......

the same teams, largely, year in and year out, are the ones that gobble up all the story lines, there is a defnite line of demarcation drawn between small market and large market teams. those that don't spend, don't compete, generally speaking (i know the marlins beat the yankees).

there's just not much there to hold my interest......now, i will freely admit the Red Sox run in 03 was great, and i watched a lot of that. the Cubs run in 03 was great and i watched that. and i'd watch again if it were those teams involved.

but i certainly could not see myself getting all excited about a Royals/Brewers World Series---which will never happen anyway.

think about it....when you were a kid, did you ever think the Bucs or Patriots could win the Super Bowl? now they are regular contenders, and in the case of the pats, the new dynasty of this decade.

this goes all to competitiveness of the league, so i've strayed off course here, but it does play a part in the popularity of the sport.........and it does give credance to the mantra "there's always next year" in relation to football, where in baseball, it's largely a forgone conclusion....
 
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