Battle 4 Atlantis Thoughts

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zjcvols

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1. So, based on what we saw, did UT just get thrown off with a junk defense against UTEP and just not have answers? The offensive gameplan was excellent against Xavier and Wake Forest, and both teams tried man and zone. That seems to be the most logical answer. I doubt anybody is going to try a triangle and 2 again again, and UT did miss some layups (while absolutely sucking at free throws). I don't think you can say "Tennessee just missed shots" nor can you say "The UT coaching staff sucked out loud and deserves all the blame." The loss is inexcusable and falls on the coaching staff as a failure, but I'm not sure that wasn't more of a fluke, especially with such a weird venue. UT didn't shoot well outside the whole tournament. Other than the first half against Xavier and the UTEP game, the offense has been solid the rest of the year.

2. However, UT might have found the answer with some side screens. Side screens are used for athletic swingmen to attack the basket. A team that uses it is are the Indiana Pacers with Paul George and Lance Stephenson. They both have smart, intelligent big men in Roy Hibbert and David West, especially Hibbert, who played a complicated motion offense (The Princeton offense) at Georgetown. Maymon is a good passer, and Jarnell is more than capable of a passer at the C position. UT ran more handoffs and cuts out of this offense too, running it through the high post. It opened up lanes and interestingly enough, shrinking the offense increased spacing for Tennessee. They also ran the offense instead of jogging it, something I've *****ed about since Martin took over at Tennessee. When Tennessee attacks the basket, they win basketball games. It's that simple, and the offensive gameplan the last two games gave UT opportunities to attack the basket.

3. We can talk about the offense all day, but really it came down to defense. Tennessee shot way too many three pointers against UTEP (3-21, dear God!), but if you look at their two point percentage, 19-42 isn't terrible, plus they hit 23 free throws (out of 39, ugh). UTEP shot 58% the first game from the field and over 60% inside the perimeter. That's beyond awful. Xavier shot 40.4% from the field and Wake Forest shot 42%. As always, this team will go as its defense goes. Sure the offense can be ugly, but if Tennessee doesn't defend, Tennessee doesn't win under Cuonzo Martin.

4. Now, what did they do in the last two games? One, they guarded off ball better. Defense is all about off ball defense and being in the correct guarding position when the ball comes in to the offensive player. They also installed more pack line defense. As I stated in the postgame report, a pack line keeps all the defenders inside the perimeter. The goal is to force more jumpers, and that's what Tennessee did. Wafe Forest only had 26 paint points, while UTEP had 36. Xavier did have 35 paint points, but it just goes to show how bad Xavier was outside since they scored 49 total points. With Tennessee's incredible length on the perimeter, it's easier to close out shooters. Tennessee should take advantage of that. UT also has zero shot blockers and the post defense is not where it should be. Add in the hand checking rules, which makes it easier for players to drive to the hoop, and you have a recipe for more pack line defense.

5. I thought the biggest thing you can take away from a player standpoint was Jarnell Stokes. I saw things Jarnell hasn't shown before. In the Xavier game, he finished with his left hand multiple times, he moved without the ball aggressively, and he kept the ball high on his finishes. He was also more decisive. In the Wake Forest game, I saw a bounce in his step that you usually don't see from Jarnell. He's a laid back player, which is perfectly fine. You don't see Tim Duncan going bonkers every game. But there was just an extra activity level. He was more vocal, he was more demonstrative, he had a smile on his face that you don't see very often. He also looked very active on defense, something that Jarnell has never really shown before. I don't know if it's a new Jarnell, and it's not like he was bad before; he's a solid player. But maybe he's ready to take a new step. It's only two games, but I loved it.

6. One issue I do have with Tennessee is that they are not guarding the nail of the floor. I don't want to sound too much like Jimmy Dykes here, but the nail of the floor is the middle of the free throw line. UT is overplaying baseline, which is okay in of itself, but if you do force to the middle like UT does, you must help out before he gets to the paint, and UT is late right now doing that. You have to rotate quicker if you play this defense, especially since you can't funnel drivers to a shot blocker and your paint defense is very shoddy right now. I would just play defense straight up. Don't give up baseline necessarily, but I wouldn't worry about funneling guys to the paint right now.

7. 3-21. 2-14. 4-11. That is Tennessee's three point shooting game by game for the B4A tournament. That's a total of 11-46. That's really bad. However, UT adjusted and attacked the basket all tournament, shooting almost 95 free throws in three days. That's winning basketball. Tennessee was shooting 44% before the tournament from three, so Tennessee has shot the ball well from deep before the B4A. However, UT needs to keep the three point shooting number at 15-17. They should not be shooting 20 three pointers a game.

8. Tennessee has found its rotation. I still think Armani Moore should get 10 minutes a game, but it's obvious that the freshmen should be the first three off the bench getting 12 minutes or more a game. Thompson had his best game against Wake. Robert Hubbs is becoming more aggressive each game. A.J. Davis provides a spark with his energy and hustle. The more they play, the better for the program because those three are the future.

9. I thought Jeronne Maymon looked liked his old self the past two games, and he needs more time as the only post. You are at a disadvantage defensively if you play a solid offensive post with some height, but Maymon is such a good rebounder you can still compensate. He looks more active on offense with the four guard lineup. Getting him 10-15 minutes a game at the center spot is a good idea. A lineup I would love to see is Barton/Thompson/Richardson/Moore/Maymon. You have two shooters and two drivers, good rebounders from the wing spots, and a very active defense with four players that can switch. If you want, you can swap Moore for McRae, and go with Richardson at the 4.

10. It's hard for me to deem this a positive experience, and I won't. That lost to UTEP is just totally inexcusable. Yet UT won comfortably against two power conference teams, avenged their loss against Xavier, played MUCH better, and maybe turned a corner (though it's too early to tell). Was that UTEP game just something we look back on at the end of the year and say "**** happens"? Possible. But that's far away. I think so far with this team you take a cautiously optimistic approach. You also have to give credit to the coaching staff and players coming back from such a disappointing loss and coming strong from start to finish in back to back games to make something out of this. This easily could have been a 0-3 tournament and the season would have most likely been over before it even began. Coach Martin rallied the troops and got two wins. 5-2 is a hell of a lot better than 4-3 and most definitely better than 3-4. A huge opportunity in two weeks to go on the road and get a huge win against Wichita State. If Tennessee can get that victory, the complexion of the season changes. Let's hope that the Bahamas is the beginning of paradise for Tennessee basketball this season.

Go Vols!!! :hi:
 
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IMO I think we were thrown off by the junk defenses and I don't think the coaching staff scouted well. It didn't help that this coaching staff knows nothing but man to man and basic zones. So practicing for it in practice doesn't really help if you don't know the principles of the zone.

Not many if any teams play a triangle and 2 and when they do it to your best player and your guard that was shooting out the gym that throws everything off.

I honestly think the last two games are a better indicator of where we are at this point than the first game. We'll see though.
 
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Thanks for the great write up, as always. Are there any highlights available from the Xavier or WF games from the B4A?
 
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IMO I think we were thrown off by the junk defenses and I don't think the coaching staff scouted well. It didn't help that this coaching staff knows nothing but man to man and basic zones. So practicing for it in practice doesn't really help if you don't know the principles of the zone.

Not many if any teams play a triangle and 2 and when they do it to your best player and your guard that was shooting out the gym that throws everything off.

I honestly think the last two games are a better indicator of where we are at this point than the first game. We'll see though.

See what Floyd ran against Kansas, guys got some tricks up his sleeve.
 
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I don't have much to add. I just wanted to applaud the effort on all these write-ups you do. I know they take time and effort. Good job.
 
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The thing I like the most about Hubbs is he looks like the best player on Tennessee as far as creating space for himself and good shots. The main problem is, a lot of his shots aren't falling. But when you see him dribble and go aggressive, you see him in good ares to score the ball. Once they start falling, I can just see his potential going through the roof.
 
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The thing I like the most about Hubbs is he looks like the best player on Tennessee as far as creating space for himself and good shots. The main problem is, a lot of his shots aren't falling. But when you see him dribble and go aggressive, you see him in good ares to score the ball. Once they start falling, I can just see his potential going through the roof.
This is true but, it cannot be overstated how much he has improved since the first game on defense. He is using his length and athleticism to his advantage on the other end of the floor. He is switching off screens very well as well as guarding on the ball very well. Slowly but surely the college game is coming to him.
 
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I will admit that I am more of a football person than basketball. But it seems to me that Stokes and Maymon need to touch the ball in the paint every possession. Kick it out and rotate it around and get it back inside. JMO.
 
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I will admit that I am more of a football person than basketball. But it seems to me that Stokes and Maymon need to touch the ball in the paint every possession. Kick it out and rotate it around and get it back inside. JMO.

Agreed.
 
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zjcvols, I too look for your write ups after every game and I enjoy them immensely. You are mostly spot on.
 
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This is true but, it cannot be overstated how much he has improved since the first game on defense. He is using his length and athleticism to his advantage on the other end of the floor. He is switching off screens very well as well as guarding on the ball very well. Slowly but surely the college game is coming to him.

Definitely. There's just so many positive things you can look at with this kid on both sides of the ball. Really hope he keeps progressing like he has been. We could really use him come end of the season/tournament time.
 
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here is your answer to are problems. when we lose we shoot around 50% free throws when we win its over 70%. free throws equal free points and when team does not shoot well from outside we need free points. no more dicussion on problems with basketball team unless we talk about how bad a coach we have
 
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Solid post as always ZJC. Martin basically has 2 weeks to make a solid gameplan against Wichita State. It makes me feel a little bit better that we beat them last year, even though it was at home. But he isn't a stranger at playing WSU on the road so I hope that helps. IMO a win will determine if this team is worthy of a top 10 ranking or not this season. They win this and then take care of the rest of their OOC schedule then I think this team has a case for a top 15 or so ranking.
 
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A huge opportunity in two weeks to go on the road and get a huge win against Wichita State. If Tennessee can get that victory, the complexion of the season changes. Let's hope that the Bahamas is the beginning of paradise for Tennessee basketball this season.

Go Vols!!! :hi:

Not meant as a negative, but this is a much better team than we played last season.
probably won't lose on their home floor this season.
Down double digits to BYU and just willed their way back to a win.
Balanced shooting. 4 guys in double figures. Can't put them on the foul line.
Allowing 60 points a game.
How do you beat a team like this at home?
Yes it's why we play the game, but may have to settle for a brilliant effort against them.
 
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here is your answer to are problems. when we lose we shoot around 50% free throws when we win its over 70%. free throws equal free points and when team does not shoot well from outside we need free points. no more dicussion on problems with basketball team unless we talk about how bad a coach we have

Or you can stop posting in here
 
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Or you can stop posting in here
if we just want to cluck cluck with the hens we could join a sewing circle.
No reason to shoot 60% from the foul line.
Guys need to bring those up. Especially this season with all the fouls.
 
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Z, I'd like to add that during the UTEP game we saw an inordinate amount of off-balance shots. They seemed rushed. I'm all for showing sense of urgency, but not at the expense of throwing up prayers.
 
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if we just want to cluck cluck with the hens we could join a sewing circle.
No reason to shoot 60% from the foul line.
Guys need to bring those up. Especially this season with all the fouls.

We've shot well under 50% once first game against Xavier. (7-19) Still shot 59% against UTEP. Free throws weren't our problem. Going 3-21 from three and not adjusting to a zone was. We went 23-39 at the line still would have been down two.
 

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