BCS Bowl Still in Range?

[milohimself]

In past seasons, I would have said no in a heartbeat too. However, this is the first season with 10 spots in the BCS bowls, so we'll see if a 2-loss team can get in as an at-large this year.

I've seen several bowl predictions showing a 2-loss LSU team in the BCS.

Already, it looks like the ACC will have a 2-loss team, and if Texas loses again, the BigXII will be represented be a team with at least 2-losses.

Southern Cal plays Cal and Notre Dame, so the probability is high that 2 of those will have 2-losses.

If Auburn stubs its toe against Alabama, LSU will be in the SECCG. Arkansas will lose to both Tennessee and LSU. LSU wins the tie-breaker if there is a 3-way tie in the East.

There is still alot of football left. So who knows? But typically the way the Vols have been snubbed even when they are 10-2 (see 2003).... I think the Vols could end up in a lower tiered bowl again.

Always the eternal optimist. Ya gotta let this notion go, all.

But hey, look on the brightside, last year we saw no Big Orange during the holiday season. Now we're looking at a possible New Year's Day bowl game. Not too shabby.

 

[indyvol15]

If ND loses again, I would love to get a shot at them.

 

[cotton]

In past seasons, I would have said no in a heartbeat too. However, this is the first season with 10 spots in the BCS bowls, so we'll see if a 2-loss team can get in as an at-large this year.

You will see a 2 loss at-large in the BCS this year.
It will be Notre Dame.

BCS = No.
Cotton = 33 %
Cap One = 33 %
Outback = 33 %

I would put it:
BCS=2%
Cotton=15%
Capital One=20%
Outback=43%
Chicken=30%

The problem is that, even with a win over Arkansas and Arkansas loosing in the SECC, we are no better than third in the league, assuming Auburn and Florida win out. Even if one of them stumbles, or if 2 loss Arkansas wins the SEC, that would put us, LSU, and Auburn or Florida or both in the mix for the 2nd bid from the SEC. We aren't going to get it, and I'm afraid those scenarios might knock us down a peg for the Capital One, as well. Also, all things being equal, I think the Cotton will choose a Western team, either LSU or Arkansas, if available.

 

[HogWild]

Generally the Cotton Bowl usually takes a West team...

 

[milohimself]

Generally the Cotton Bowl usually takes a West team...

I'm sure you guys are going. A lot closer to the Cotton Bowl than most of the other SEC teams, and you guys are a prime candidate anyways.

 

[HogWild]

I'm sure you guys are going. A lot closer to the Cotton Bowl than most of the other SEC teams, and you guys are a prime candidate anyways.

I think you confused the word "Cotton" with "Sugar" or possibly the National Championship.

 

[allvol123]

I think you confused the word "Cotton" with "Sugar" or possibly the National Championship.

Arky is not going to the National Championship unless they pony up for tickets.

 

[HogWild]

Arky is not going to the National Championship unless they pony up for tickets.

They've been saying on ESPN for weeks now that a one loss SEC team will go to the National Championship. Last time I checked we had one loss! And if we win out we will still just have one loss! With wins over then ranked #22 Alabama, #2 Auburn, #13 Tennessee, a Top 15 ranked LSU, and a Top Ten Florida probably a Top Five. Can any other team show those kinda ranked wins? Nope.

 

[allvol123]

They've been saying on ESPN for weeks now that a one loss SEC team will go to the National Championship. Last time I checked we had one loss! And if we win out we will still just have one loss! With wins over then ranked #22 Alabama, #2 Auburn, #13 Tennessee, a Top 15 ranked LSU, and a Top Ten Florida probably a Top Five. Can any other team show those kinda ranked wins? Nope.

Keep dreaming Hogwild. It ain't going to happen for you all.

 

[cotton]

I'm sure you guys are going. A lot closer to the Cotton Bowl than most of the other SEC teams, and you guys are a prime candidate anyways.

They would drool over having SECW champion Arkansas in an old SWC rematch with Oklahoma.

They also wouldn't mind hosting your neighbors from Louisiana for something other than hurricane relief.

 

[cotton]

I think you confused the word "Cotton" with "Sugar" or possibly the National Championship.

Hey, if Arkansas wins out, they could make the National Championship.

If Louisville loses.

And Texas.

And Notre Dame.

And Cal and Southern Cal.

And Michigan probably has to get blown out.

 

[HogWild]

Keep dreaming Hogwild. It ain't going to happen for you all.

I said that we could possibly go to the National Title. And I stated the facts of how we possibly get there. And that is all that you can say? Do you have factual information to back that up?

 

[HogWild]

Hey, if Arkansas wins out, they could make the National Championship.

If Louisville loses.

And Texas.

And Notre Dame.

And Cal and Southern Cal.

And Michigan probably has to get blown out.

Louisville will not go if they go undefeated. Who has Texas beat? Oklahoma and Nebraska? Woohoo. Cal and Southern Cal both are overrated in my opinion. No way ND makes it, they haven't played anyone yet. There only good game is against USC and since they lost to Oregon State that really hurts there chances. Michigan hasn't played anyone yet, and Ohio State has only played Texas.

 

[sjt18]

I said that we could possibly go to the National Title. And I stated the facts of how we possibly get there. And that is all that you can say? Do you have factual information to back that up?

Due to the magnitude of the loss to USC, there is almost no way Arkansas will go to the NC game. They'd have to be the only one loss team left... and due to the fact that Ohio St/Mich will only have one loss... that ain't happening.

If you had lost to USC by say even less than 20, you'd have a shot. But that slaughter at the hands of a not really all that good USC team won't be forgotten by the voters. They'll give the platitudes about how much better the Hogs have gotten through the season... but down deep they'll never believer you've passed USC. Period.

But after the next few games you won't be so much worried about this anyway. UT with Crompton making his first start might be a nice catch for you... but unless LSU has a complete meltdown, you don't have a chance against them.

 

[cotton]

Louisville will not go if they go undefeated. Who has Texas beat? Oklahoma and Nebraska? Woohoo. Cal and Southern Cal both are overrated in my opinion. No way ND makes it, they haven't played anyone yet. There only good game is against USC and since they lost to Oregon State that really hurts there chances. Michigan hasn't played anyone yet, and Ohio State has only played Texas.

I didn't say that I agreed that those teams should be in front of a 1-loss SEC champion, but they are, and you probably need all of those things to happen to get into the NCG.

 

[HogWild]

Due to the magnitude of the loss to USC, there is almost no way Arkansas will go to the NC game. They'd have to be the only one loss team left... and due to the fact that Ohio St/Mich will only have one loss... that ain't happening.

If you had lost to USC by say even less than 20, you'd have a shot. But that slaughter at the hands of a not really all that good USC team won't be forgotten by the voters. They'll give the platitudes about how much better the Hogs have gotten through the season... but down deep they'll never believer you've passed USC. Period.

But after the next few games you won't be so much worried about this anyway. UT with Crompton making his first start might be a nice catch for you... but unless LSU has a complete meltdown, you don't have a chance against them.

And no one thought we had a chance against Auburn either...and we beat them by 17 on the road. Now help me remember...what was the score of the LSU vs. Auburn game? And don't give me the speech that the only reason we beat Auburn is because we caught them sleeping...we hit them in the mouth from the first whistle to the last.

 

[HogWild]

I didn't say that I agreed that those teams should be in front of a 1-loss SEC champion, but they are, and you probably need all of those things to happen to get into the NCG.

Fair enough...

 

[MyBloodRunnethOrange]

Cal and Southern Cal both are overrated in my opinion.

I agree, but do you really think they would take you guys over a USC team that hung 50 on you?

 

[tidwell]

Why are Arkansas fans so hung up on the LSU/Auburn game? What does that have to do with Arkansas vs. Auburn and LSU vs. Arkansas??? Using this logic, I would expect Arkansas fans to push for Oregon State to be in the National Championship Game.

 

[HogWild]

I agree, but do you really think they would take you guys over a USC team that hung 50 on you?

Yes with there loss to Oregon State.

 

[sjt18]

Louisville will not go if they go undefeated.

They will if it is between them and a one loss Arkansas team. The prognosticators who are talking about a one loss SEC team aren't talking about Arkansas. They're assuming that you'll lose. They were assuming that UT would lose. Basically, they are talking about UF and Auburn.

Who has Texas beat?

No one good unless you count Neb and OU. OTOH, they didn't lose 50-14 to USC or OSU for that matter.

Talent wise, there is no comparison between Arkansas and Texas and the poll voters know it.

Cal and Southern Cal both are overrated in my opinion.

That's funny... last time I checked USC waxed you guys at home. It wasn't competitive. It wasn't a closer game than the score. They demonstrated absolute dominance in coaching, athleticism, and play.

They were then and are now a better coached, more talented football team than Arkansas.

No way ND makes it, they haven't played anyone yet.

I hate ND... almost as bad as UF. But the simple political fact of the matter is that if they beat USC and end up with one loss along side Arkansas... they'll get the nod and probably deserve it.

There only good game is against USC and since they lost to Oregon State that really hurts there chances. Michigan hasn't played anyone yet, and Ohio State has only played Texas.

Rationalize all you want but even if Arkansas manages to stay at one loss they won't pass these teams if they stay at one loss.

Sorry. But when you have been as bad as Arkansas has been for as long as they've been... and you open your season with a 50-14 loss to a rebuilding USC... you aren't getting the benefit of the doubt.

 

[HogWild]

Why are Arkansas fans so hung up on the LSU/Auburn game? What does that have to do with Arkansas vs. Auburn and LSU vs. Arkansas??? Using this logic, I would expect Arkansas fans to push for Oregon State to be in the National Championship Game.

You say we aren't in the same league as LSU and we have no chance of beating them. That is why the Auburn vs. LSU game is brought up to show people that we can play on the same level as LSU. If we can destroy Auburn and they can beat LSU, then why don't we have a chance. You are just saying that we can't play LSU because you are still pissed over your loss last week and you can't bear to see someone else beat them. Seems like your logic is...if we can't beat them no one can.

 

[tidwell]

You are just saying that we can't play LSU because you are still pissed over your loss last week and you can't bear to see someone else beat them. Seems like your logic is...if we can't beat them no one can.

Where did I say Arkansas wasn't in LSU's league? I simply said that one game has nothing to do with another one. No one really believes Oregon State is better than Arkansas, for example.

That logic is a little more rational than claiming a team that whooped you by 36 points is "overrated". :wacko:

 

[sjt18]

And no one thought we had a chance against Auburn either...and we beat them by 17 on the road. Now help me remember...what was the score of the LSU vs. Auburn game?

7-3... and LSU dominated play every bit as much as Arkansas did.

And don't give me the speech that the only reason we beat Auburn is because we caught them sleeping...we hit them in the mouth from the first whistle to the last.

That is exactly what happened whether you want to carry on your delusion or not. Auburn was looking ahead to UF. Arkansas certainly took it to them... but you're a fool if you think you got Auburn's best game.

 

[HogWild]

They will if it is between them and a one loss Arkansas team. The prognosticators who are talking about a one loss SEC team aren't talking about Arkansas. They're assuming that you'll lose. They were assuming that UT would lose. Basically, they are talking about UF and Auburn. No one good unless you count Neb and OU. OTOH, they didn't lose 50-14 to USC or OSU for that matter.

Talent wise, there is no comparison between Arkansas and Texas and the poll voters know it. That's funny... last time I checked USC waxed you guys at home. It wasn't competitive. It wasn't a closer game than the score. They demonstrated absolute dominance in coaching, athleticism, and play.

They were then and are now a better coached, more talented football team than Arkansas. I hate ND... almost as bad as UF. But the simple political fact of the matter is that if they beat USC and end up with one loss along side Arkansas... they'll get the nod and probably deserve it. Rationalize all you want but even if Arkansas manages to stay at one loss they won't pass these teams if they stay at one loss.

Sorry. But when you have been as bad as Arkansas has been for as long as they've been... and you open your season with a 50-14 loss to a rebuilding USC... you aren't getting the benefit of the doubt.

Arkansas vs. Texas is always a close game. Remember our last series a few years back...people said that we didn't have the talent back then either but we went 1-1. Should have one both games. But that is neither here nor there. Texas has beaten OU and Nebraska...but come on OU is weak and Nebraska isn't so hot either.